Lions of Sabi Sands

[Dangeroscos]

(03-23-2025, 11:54 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-23-2025, 11:08 PM)MrLoesoe Wrote:

(03-23-2025, 10:11 PM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(03-23-2025, 04:06 PM)MrLoesoe Wrote: Monwanas showed aggression and courage from a young age but they are not strong enough yet for a duo like Mantimahles. Also, take into account that they have been a bit scattered the last half year or so, now they are only with the three brothers, not 4+. 

They could take Nkuhumas but it won't be easy, with Kruger male around (they could defeat him yes), and also Mantimahle males who like to venture into northern Sabi Sands.

Something like the Mbiri pride would be easier for them and I personally hope they stay in Manyeleti. It would be good genetics wise for both Mbiri pride and Nharu pride to get a takeover. 

Taking over the Nharus, however, won't be an easy task, with Red Road there being very close to the pride lately - he will protect at all cost, I think - his son, who hasn't been tested yet but physically is quite a force now, and females who will protect their young offspring at a very high cost. Imo Mbiri pride would be their best bet, no cubs there currently, and would provide a good natural moment for Nzuri and his younger brother to become nomads.

All of this highly speculative of course, haven't seen an update on the three Monwana brothers in Manyeleti for a week or so, curious to know what they are up to...

Wow interesting. When exactly did monwanas show aggression and courage and what did they exactly do?

Definitely agree with u genetic wise aswell.

There is one video when the Monwana young males were still with the pride and another young male (Avoca, older than them) was eating with them on a kill, then their father Mapoza arrived (actually also the father of the Avoca male) and clashed with the Avoca, and you see the young Monwanas immediately joining their father in the fight, one even goes straight for the neck. Real aggressive.

I think this was the main experience that people labeled them as relatively aggressive and courageous. After they left the pride they also had a clash with Red Road male when they were with Nharu females (or on a kill can't remember). RR chased them away

Then also the fact that they migrated all the way south from Timbavati into Sabi Sands, for young males to really go on a search for territory, I think that also helped building their image

All of this is discussed on this forum, try to look for it using Google search you will find the discussions insightful I'm sure (or feel free to ask ofc). Also on youtube the footage is there of these clashes.

But we shouldn't overestimate them at this stage yet, theoretically they have the numbers and also the aggression the Kambulas lack, but they're still young, we have to see

Well, its easy to "tough boys" when theres whole pride of 10+ adults + your big daddy vs 1 lone nomadic male.

Most impressive feat was when oldest/biggest male dominated Birmingham Nephew over BBreakaway female, as Nephew is ~1 year older than him, but he is not part of those 4. 

Some of them also clashed with BBreakaways, dominating unhealthy Ilanga male, before getting chased by the rest.

So it might be that these feats where mostly by or under leadership of biggest male, as these 4 who went to SS later didnt show any "fire" in them so far, as they where getting chased and separated left and right by Skybed Son, RRM, PCMs etc.

So i would definetly wait before putting some expectations on them, as you said aswell.

Interesting I c. Where is the eldest monwana? Is it usually the case that the oldest of a coalition is the most aggressive and confident? (I mean towards other males and the drive to conquer or defend a territory/females) 

What is in ur opinion the reason for the kambulas lack of balls? Just random probability of some lions having smaller balls than others? Or just random probability that they have less drive than others?(same way some humans have more drive to be successful than others) or are there other factors at play?

Thanks in advance Reply