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After looking into this, I'm realizing the Torchwood pride numbers are pretty straightforward... Mala Mala just added confusion to this in 2020 by making up random numbers and birth dates. From 2018-end of 2019 the pride was always reported to be 10 (4 adult females, 5 subadult female, 1 sub male). Then in 2019 Torchwood lioness had cubs and the number blew up to 17. I have no idea whose cubs these were... and they all ended up dying of mange. But this is when the pride started splitting apart, because of new cubs and males in the area.
In 2020, the 4 older adult lioness started hanging out with Kruger males (the same as now) and another group of 5 were always spotted in Mala Mala (4 females, 1 male... 1 female went missing).
So there aren't 17 adults running around, just probably 4 females and the male. New males would be perfect for this breakaway pride since these females are over 4 years old now and basically a pride of their own. As long as they move further into Kruger and leave Sabi Sands alone it could work out for everyone.