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Lions of Sabi Sands
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On Sunday, the two Avoca males were found close to where the Tsalala’s were left the night before.
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The three Tsalala males were seen on our property in the Northern sector looking rather full and content with life as they slept off their recent kill. They did seem rather unsettled as they kept an eye out on the horizon.
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Just would like to ask how who avocado took over. Apparently they killed a matimba but I believe that to Be highly untrue. Just would like to confirm
I don't know if they killed one of the northen matimbas but the matimbas were ousted by a coaltion. I believe the avocas took the mbiri pride from the matimbas. Two of them were seen at one point and now only one of the three is still alive. He is dominant over the Skorro lion pride but not in the best shape.
The Ottowa Lionesses showing the young Ottowa male some love - most social cats in the world
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The torchwood pride of lions were located drinking up in the north along with a Birmingham male lion. The pride is looking in fantastic condition! Image by Andrew Khosa , Cheetah Plains
Can believe 2 inexperienced SUB-ADULT males beat three veterans. I thought number games would have the marimbas winning
(09-18-2017, 11:33 PM)CRYPTIC Wrote: Can believe 2 inexperienced SUB-ADULT males beat three veterans. I thought number games would have the marimbas winning Those Avocas are fathers of the the 2 young males. (Old Avocas were 2 in number joined by 5 Giraffe males, their half-brothers) Of the total 8 males, 3 went to Kruger.. currently 5 of them are in reign  (09-18-2017, 11:48 PM)vinodkumarn Wrote:(09-18-2017, 11:33 PM)CRYPTIC Wrote: Can believe 2 inexperienced SUB-ADULT males beat three veterans. I thought number games would have the marimbas winning Wow I was unaware the Avoca's took out the two Matimba's. I had also heard the rumblings about the giraffe males/avoca males. I was unaware they've completely accepted one another and joined forces. (09-18-2017, 07:20 AM)sik94 Wrote: Lions don't "know" numbers are everything in their world, they don't have the mental capacity to think in those terms. These coalitions will not waste energy on raising cubs that do not further their own bloodline. They won't join forces for the same reason new males kill all cubs fathered by the previous males, to further their own bloodline and not waste energy on another coalitions cubs (all this is instinctual). Young male lions join forces within a very small window of time right after they get kicked out of their natal prides, the avocas and the tsalalas are past that point now and are competitors. Im not positive but I believe this is incorrect. If Im not mistaken recently a coalition of two were defeated. One of the males killed while the other ran. Later the lone male survivor was seen with his arch enemy. Both were adult's in their prime. They formed a new coalition even after bitter fighting for years. I wanna say C-Boy but Im not 100% sure. It was recent though. (09-18-2017, 11:33 PM)CRYPTIC Wrote: Can believe 2 inexperienced SUB-ADULT males beat three veterans. I thought number games would have the marimbas winning The older avocas were not sub-adults when this happened, they must have been atleast 4-5 year old. The 2 avocas and the 5 giraffe males work as one coalition so the three matimbas being old and outnumbered lost the battle. (09-18-2017, 11:48 PM)vinodkumarn Wrote:(09-18-2017, 11:33 PM)CRYPTIC Wrote: Can believe 2 inexperienced SUB-ADULT males beat three veterans. I thought number games would have the marimbas winning I find it hard to believe that the older avocas fathered the younger, unless they had been dominant males before the age of 4. Since they are both called the avocas, aren't they a previous litter from the avoca pride? Edit: Both avoca coalitions come from the same pride, unless the older avocas were dominant over their natal pride by the age of 4-5(highly unusual/unlikely) they can't be the fathers of the young avocas. (09-19-2017, 01:44 AM)sik94 Wrote:(09-18-2017, 11:48 PM)vinodkumarn Wrote:(09-18-2017, 11:33 PM)CRYPTIC Wrote: Can believe 2 inexperienced SUB-ADULT males beat three veterans. I thought number games would have the marimbas winning The young Avocas are born in early 2013, older Avocas were born in 2008 I believe. Yes, they became dominant early. Giraffe males are little younger, the youngest one in particular is 2 years younger than Other Giraffe males. (4 born in sep 2009, younger one born in Sep2011)
lol I thought the younger ones killed a matimba. Can u pls tell me how many matimbas are alive now and how they died
(09-19-2017, 01:51 AM)CRYPTIC Wrote: lol I thought the younger ones killed a matimba. Can u pls tell me how many matimbas are alive now and how they died @CRYPTIC Looks like you are opening threads for the questions. Please post in the threads "Lions of Sabi Sands", People will answer in that thread. To answer your question, out of 6 Matimbas, 3 were Alive. One went missing long back. (Oldest one, nduna) One died during Jan 2017, due to fight with other lions. One died because of TB or so.. Please read in Matimbas thread... the timeline of events are very well disuceed and very interestign updates are there @Tshokwane @Ngala Can you please move these msgs to the main thread |
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