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Today, 12:02 AM( This post was last modified: Today, 12:04 AM by BA0701 )
(Yesterday, 11:17 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:36 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I would assume lioness No.1 being the oldest due to having fully black nose unlike the younger individuals.
She is far more older, born in 2013, younger lioness is born in Othawa pride in late 2018.
Interesting background behind them (for new followers), this Ximhungwes female family (except sister and brother) got killed of by Gingerellas aunts back in the day.
But she got her revenge, she linked with Gingerella, who was Othawas outcast (as she was too young to mate with Tumbelas) and with help of Nhenha/NK, they outpowered remaining Othawas, mainly Sassy and subs (of which only 2 survived to this day).
Ximhungwe female got her revange, after many years.
So much history, with the Ximungwes. I mentioned in the Mapogos thread, they have never been able to gain any traction, in rebuilding the pride, even since Mr. T wiped out all the cubs. A lot of years have passed since that period, and she still does not have any cubs to show for it. I really hope she can give birth some time soon, and see those cubs to adulthood. She is the last blood of her pride.
As the Southern Pride has demonstrated, regrowing your pride quickly, is possible, but this gal is already 11 years old. If she is going to get it done, now is the time to start.
(Today, 12:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote: So much history, with the Ximungwes. I mentioned in the Mapogos thread, they have never been able to gain any traction, in rebuilding the pride, even since Mr. T wiped out all the cubs. A lot of years have passed since that period, and she still does not have any cubs to show for it. I really hope she can give birth some time soon, and see those cubs to adulthood. She is the last blood of her pride.
As the Southern Pride has demonstrated, regrowing your pride quickly, is possible, but this gal is already 11 years old. If she is going to get it done, now is the time to start.
I hope so too.
If she passes away, before leaving legacy behind, then we have situation we discussed before, can we really continue to call Gingerella and her offspring Ximhungwe pride anymore? As there would be no Ximhungwe blood left.
(Yesterday, 09:36 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I would assume lioness No.1 being the oldest due to having fully black nose unlike the younger individuals.
Using the colour of nose normally helps determine age, and certainly does in this case, but it’s not always correct. I seen close up photos of Black Rock Boys Oloimina and Oloshipa yesterday, Oloimina still has a lot of pink on his nose whereas Oloshipa’s is completely darkened, yet they were born around the same time.
Its not that difficult. Prides are first and foremost a social political group.
None of the lions care at all about bloodlines and such.
At this point Gingerella is pretty much 100% a Ximhungwe. She is behaving no different as if she was born in the pride as one one Ximhungwes cubs and actively took part in the attacks on her natal pride.
If Ximhungwe were to die. She will continue the pride like normal. So she deserves the name.
(Today, 01:18 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its not that difficult. Prides are first and foremost a social political group.
None of the lions care at all about bloodlines and such.
At this point Gingerella is pretty much 100% a Ximhungwe. She is behaving no different as if she was born in the pride as one one Ximhungwes cubs and actively took part in the attacks on her natal pride.
If Ximhungwe were to die. She will continue the pride like normal. So she deserves the name.
Well agree from that perspective, although it will be "complicated" to explain future lion enthusiast's how Ximhungwe pride actually has only Othawa bloodline.
(Today, 01:18 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its not that difficult. Prides are first and foremost a social political group.
None of the lions care at all about bloodlines and such.
At this point Gingerella is pretty much 100% a Ximhungwe. She is behaving no different as if she was born in the pride as one one Ximhungwes cubs and actively took part in the attacks on her natal pride.
If Ximhungwe were to die. She will continue the pride like normal. So she deserves the name.
While I agree with you, I have mixed feelings about it
(Today, 12:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote: So much history, with the Ximungwes. I mentioned in the Mapogos thread, they have never been able to gain any traction, in rebuilding the pride, even since Mr. T wiped out all the cubs. A lot of years have passed since that period, and she still does not have any cubs to show for it. I really hope she can give birth some time soon, and see those cubs to adulthood. She is the last blood of her pride.
As the Southern Pride has demonstrated, regrowing your pride quickly, is possible, but this gal is already 11 years old. If she is going to get it done, now is the time to start.
I hope so too.
If she passes away, before leaving legacy behind, then we have situation we discussed before, can we really continue to call Gingerella and her offspring Ximhungwe pride anymore? As there would be no Ximhungwe blood left.
I recall that very conversation, as well, and have been thinking about that very thing quite a bit the past few months.
The whole Ximhungwe/Othawa scenario would definitely get quite complicated for anyone who doesn’t have the knowledge of the respective prides and their history. For me it does add an interesting layer to their already complex history and also the fact for the majority of this period they have been the two main rival prides in the west of Sabi Sands.
Although Gingerella is considered a fully fledged member of Ximhungwe Pride now I would personally find it difficult to continue the name if it was just left with her and her two daughters. It would be a shame to lose another iconic pride of Sabi Sands but ultimately this is nature and their is no room for sentiment. Sparta Pride, possibly the most famous and well known of all prides in the history of Sabi Sands went extinct and some have been or close to the brink of collapse namely Southern Pride, Othawa Pride and Tsalala Pride.
This is the natural way of things and allows others to rise up and take their place and write their own history, if you think some of these newer prides didn’t even exist a decade ago and now have become synonymous with the lion dynamics of Sabi Sands such as Mhangeni, Kambula and Msuthlu. I can see why the topic divides opinion so much and probably there isn’t a right or wrong answer. Anyway, let’s hope the old lioness is able to raise some cubs to independence and in doing so continue the original Ximhungwe bloodline.
(Today, 03:37 AM)adamstocks16 Wrote: I would personally find it difficult to continue the name if it was just left with her and her two daughters
My friend, I agree with everything you said, but especially this, and have, personally felt this way, since Gingerella joined with the Xim lioness. Though, as you stated, this is only our opinions, and in no way meant to sway anyone else's opinions on the matter, as there is no right or wrong answer. Like you, I just hope we don't have to figure it out.
(Yesterday, 09:36 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I would assume lioness No.1 being the oldest due to having fully black nose unlike the younger individuals.
Do not really know if looking at the nose color is accurate as older lions can also have lighter color noses also some guides say that it's not accurate to base their age on the nose color.
I mean as long as we can keep track of gingerella and her daughters then we’ll all know but it’s strange most of the ximhungwe pride is othawa pride blood you can’t change their genes she’s othawa and will always be an othawa lioness but just in a different pride… she’s a ximhungwe female now but she’ll always be an othawa is what I’m trying to say lol I just wish it was a easier way to explain it
Well lets say we go with the bloodline stuff. It even gets more complicated.
If Ximhungwe dies we would have two Othawa prides.
Will Gingerella gain the Othawa pride name as she is the oldest and biggest Othawa group. Or will the two current semi nomadic Othawas keep the title?
And what will we call the losing pride instead if Ximhungwe is off the table?
Well we do know that the older Ximunghwe lioness did mate with the PCM this later months of the year hoping she can raise them as she being 1 of the 2 last daughters of the Selati Coalition hoping she continues their lineage and quite worried on Tiyelele as there are no news of her and as her territory is a hotspot for neighboring lion activity, would say she really has no territory at the moment as both Nkuhumas and Imbalis is currently at her said territory.
