There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
--- Peter Broekhuijsen ---

  • 8 Vote(s) - 4.5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Lions of Sabi Sands

Panama Mapokser Offline
Contributor
*****

@Tr1x24 I think they MAY have been, I never said they were. IIRC Criollo said something similar once.

Obviously it's just a take/possibility, I'm not pushing for any conspiracy theories.

Kruger does this all the time after all, even going to a point they'd separate coalition partners, drop one in an area and the other in a complete different area, or dropping males in areas with high poachers activity where the lions disappear.

So idk why you're acting like this is something absurd, especially since apparently there were reports of lions escaping Kruger at the time, which could very well have been the Tumbelas.
1 user Likes Mapokser's post
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******

(04-18-2024, 10:45 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I think they MAY have been, I never said they were. IIRC Criollo said something similar once.

Obviously it's just a take/possibility, I'm not pushing for any conspiracy theories.

Kruger does this all the time after all, even going to a point they'd separate coalition partners, drop one in an area and the other in a complete different area, or dropping males in areas with high poachers activity where the lions disappear.

So idk why you're acting like this is something absurd, especially since apparently there were reports of lions escaping Kruger at the time, which could very well have been the Tumbelas.

I dont think something like that would pass unnoticed in Sabi Sands, local rangers/guides/reserves would have info about that.
Reply

Panama Mapokser Offline
Contributor
*****

Maybe they do, but never told anyone.
1 user Likes Mapokser's post
Reply

United States afortich Offline
Contributor
*****
( This post was last modified: 04-19-2024, 01:14 AM by afortich )

Summary including updates about NYM with Tumbela, K2 with partner, K4 with Nkuhuma Pride.




3 users Like afortich's post
Reply

United States BA0701 Offline
Super Moderator
******

@Potato , didn't you say that Solo had actually attacked and ousted a male from the pride he controlled, then when he lost his own partner, Solo joined up with that same male?
1 user Likes BA0701's post
Reply

Ngonya Offline
Contributor
*****
( This post was last modified: 04-19-2024, 01:57 AM by Ngonya )

(04-19-2024, 01:22 AM)BA0701 Wrote: didn't you say that Solo had actually attacked and ousted a male from the pride he controlled, then when he lost his own partner, Solo joined up with that same male?
I believe he was refering to the Kruger male, called 'Freddy' by many.

In fact Solo and the partner he lost (Cleo Sparta, killed by two of the Selatis) were unable to oust Freddy, they both left the South and went West, where the Selatis defeated them. The Kruger male remained dominant until the pressure from different coalitions at southern Sabi Sand caught up to him, then at some point Solo and him joined.
Im not sure about the whole story tho. Hopefully someone can keep us up.
2 users Like Ngonya's post
Reply

South Africa Rabubi Offline
Regular Member
***

(04-18-2024, 10:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 10:45 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I think they MAY have been, I never said they were. IIRC Criollo said something similar once.

Obviously it's just a take/possibility, I'm not pushing for any conspiracy theories.

Kruger does this all the time after all, even going to a point they'd separate coalition partners, drop one in an area and the other in a complete different area, or dropping males in areas with high poachers activity where the lions disappear.

So idk why you're acting like this is something absurd, especially since apparently there were reports of lions escaping Kruger at the time, which could very well have been the Tumbelas.

I dont think something like that would pass unnoticed in Sabi Sands, local rangers/guides/reserves would have info about that.
Furthermore, the translocation, if it was done for the safety of these lions, would have been posted by the reserves on social media and thus the public would have known about it.
3 users Like Rabubi's post
Reply

criollo2mil Offline
Contributor
*****
( This post was last modified: 04-19-2024, 06:10 AM by criollo2mil )

(04-19-2024, 04:39 AM)Rabubi Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 10:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 10:45 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I think they MAY have been, I never said they were. IIRC Criollo said something similar once.

Obviously it's just a take/possibility, I'm not pushing for any conspiracy theories.

Kruger does this all the time after all, even going to a point they'd separate coalition partners, drop one in an area and the other in a complete different area, or dropping males in areas with high poachers activity where the lions disappear.

So idk why you're acting like this is something absurd, especially since apparently there were reports of lions escaping Kruger at the time, which could very well have been the Tumbelas.

I dont think something like that would pass unnoticed in Sabi Sands, local rangers/guides/reserves would have info about that.
Furthermore, the translocation, if it was done for the safety of these lions, would have been posted by the reserves on social media and thus the public would have known about it.

Don’t be so sure.   The “suspicions “ that the Tumbelas were translocated gained prominence BECAUSE they were never seen enroute towards the west.   Their name derives for their “supposed” stealth behavior through the night.  

We of course cannot assert this happened, but I have absolutely heard many intimate this was plausible.   Some very reliable sources actually.
2 users Like criollo2mil's post
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******
( This post was last modified: 04-19-2024, 08:05 AM by Tr1x24 )

(04-19-2024, 06:10 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: The “suspicions “ that the Tumbelas were translocated gained prominence BECAUSE they were never seen enroute towards the west.   Their name derives for their “supposed” stealth behavior through the night.  

Lions can easily enter that area without being spotted on the way, its like few hours walk from Kruger or Manyeleti.

Didnt Gingerella and 1 of her brothers returned from south in Kruger, travel thru all Sabi Sands without being spotted.

Even Skorro Tumbela traveled to Manyeleti and back without being spotted in the north by anyone.

Also, their "stealth" skittish behavior is another reason why they where not spotted.
3 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply

Ttimemarti Offline
Senior Member
****

You never know but these lions travel far distances really quick when they want especially a nomadic lion look at nkuhuma male he pops up everywhere whenever lol southern black dam makes traveled all the way from timbavati seen in manyeleti then seen in western sabi sands I believe. Speaking of the southern black dam males when did they split from their brothers?
1 user Likes Ttimemarti's post
Reply

Poland Potato Offline
Contributor
*****

(04-19-2024, 01:55 AM)Ngonya Wrote: In fact Solo and the partner he lost (Cleo Sparta, killed by two of the Selatis) were unable to oust Freddy, they both left the South and went West,
They left after the Sand River males entered the scene. Solo and Cleo were unable to force out Freddy, but so was the other way around and the both parties ended up sharing the same territory.
2 users Like Potato's post
Reply

United States BA0701 Offline
Super Moderator
******

@Ngonya and @Potato , thank you both for answering that. It is strange how closely our NYM's story mirrors that of Solo's.
3 users Like BA0701's post
Reply

T I N O Offline
Moderator
*****
Moderators

Sunset April 19, Sabi Sands are Cedric Dold & Panda Glits virtual clips they took earlier 2 lions chased off Black dam males from Torchwood to Djuma
One of the two Mantimahle males

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author
4 users Like T I N O's post
Reply

United States GhostCatP-22 Offline
Regular Member
***

(04-18-2024, 10:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 10:45 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I think they MAY have been, I never said they were. IIRC Criollo said something similar once.

Obviously it's just a take/possibility, I'm not pushing for any conspiracy theories.

Kruger does this all the time after all, even going to a point they'd separate coalition partners, drop one in an area and the other in a complete different area, or dropping males in areas with high poachers activity where the lions disappear.

So idk why you're acting like this is something absurd, especially since apparently there were reports of lions escaping Kruger at the time, which could very well have been the Tumbelas.

I dont think something like that would pass unnoticed in Sabi Sands, local rangers/guides/reserves would have info about that.

Here in California the huge massive city of Los Angeles and surrounding area is big mountain lion habitat and there’s hardly any sightings.
P22 is a famous lion that crossed a bunch of huge freeways and had the Hollywood sign as his territory. There’s hiking, camping, movie filming etc and P22 was very rarely seen. 
If a 120lb (65kg) Puma can hide in one of the biggest cities then it’s totally possible for lions to sneak around and avoid being seen. They really just need to avoid the roads and they are invisible.

*This image is copyright of its original author


Wasn’t the Nharu pride discovered only at the start of 2020?
3 users Like GhostCatP-22's post
Reply

criollo2mil Offline
Contributor
*****

(04-20-2024, 07:27 AM)Timbavati Wrote: Sunset April 19, Sabi Sands are Cedric Dold & Panda Glits virtual clips they took earlier 2 lions chased off Black dam males from Torchwood to Djuma
One of the two Mantimahle males

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

About time we finally see evidence of this chase. Do they show the BDs also?
1 user Likes criollo2mil's post
Reply






Users browsing this thread:
33 Guest(s)

About Us
Go Social     Subscribe  

Welcome to WILDFACT forum, a website that focuses on sharing the joy that wildlife has on offer. We welcome all wildlife lovers to join us in sharing that joy. As a member you can share your research, knowledge and experience on animals with the community.
wildfact.com is intended to serve as an online resource for wildlife lovers of all skill levels from beginners to professionals and from all fields that belong to wildlife anyhow. Our focus area is wild animals from all over world. Content generated here will help showcase the work of wildlife experts and lovers to the world. We believe by the help of your informative article and content we will succeed to educate the world, how these beautiful animals are important to survival of all man kind.
Many thanks for visiting wildfact.com. We hope you will keep visiting wildfact regularly and will refer other members who have passion for wildlife.

Forum software by © MyBB