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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (10-09-2023, 03:13 AM)BA0701 Wrote: You may well be right. I just recall seeing a video that explained that after Notch's brother was killed, he and his sons went nomadic, and returned later to take the pride back over. Only thing I know for sure is that the Notchs were absolutely enormous lions. (10-09-2023, 05:15 AM)KM600 Wrote: Just double checked and ur right Notch and his sons never come back to retake Marsh Pride, with the Mapogos I know they didn’t successfully takeover the Sparta Pride, they pretty much just harassed them for many years, but they did control the territory kind of like we see today with the BDMs controlling the whole of Northern Sabi Sands despite S8 and Mohawk still being pride males. On top of that, Ik it’s not 100% accurate but many ppl believe Makhulu was most likely from the Castleton/Ximhungwe Pride because the WSM had also controlled that pride and as we all know they Mapogos were later dominant males of that pride. Im just saying that if NKs (with or without Mohawk) takeover (or try to) their own natal area from BDMs would be very rare occurrence which is not very likely to happen. BDMs chasing them often is good thing, as it may force young males to leave this area (which is prob a good thing), as they still look to be very attached to it and the pride. Young males can leave at any point, recent example are 3 Bboys (white male group), they where still in the natal area and with pride up (ocassionaly exploring further) to around 4.5 yrs of age (older then what are NKs now), and then all of a sudden out of nowhere they moved north of Timbavati and challenged 3 RPMs.  (10-09-2023, 03:13 AM)BA0701 Wrote: You may well be right. I just recall seeing a video that explained that after Notch's brother was killed, he and his sons went nomadic, and returned later to take the pride back over. Only thing I know for sure is that the Notchs were absolutely enormous lions After Light Mane was killed by Clawed, Romeo, and Pavarotti, the 3 Ridge Pride males, (which was an admitted mistake of conservationists [Johnathon Scott] luring them to the Marsh), the 3 went back to Rhino Ridge, Notch kept the Marsh for another year. When the 3 came back Notch left with his 7 sons, 5 from the Marsh and 2 from Tamu, a breakaway lioness. There we have history as Notch coalition never came back to thr Marsh, Romeo, Clawed (Pavarotti disappeared) held it till around 2012ish which 4 Muskies took over. Notch boys took almost every pride in the Reserve to the Mara Triangle and even into the Serenghetti basically skipping over the Marsh.  (10-09-2023, 02:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Aren’t BDMs related to Mohawk, Blondie and DM. Come from a different pride but sired by a Giraffe/Avoca male I believe.(10-09-2023, 01:52 AM)KM600 Wrote: At first it was reported NSW headed North after they heard the commotion of the BDMs chasing the Nkuhuma YMs but just seen a comment on ig from a reliable source saying S8 and Kambula YMs were also in the area, imagine the shock of the BDMs when they heard lions roaring from every direction and Mohawk plus the other YMs were probably involved in some way aswell. I mean what even happens at that point. 
Monday, 2 October 2023
 (10-09-2023, 04:01 PM)KM600 Wrote:(10-09-2023, 02:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Aren’t BDMs related to Mohawk, Blondie and DM. Come from a different pride but sired by a Giraffe/Avoca male I believe.(10-09-2023, 01:52 AM)KM600 Wrote: At first it was reported NSW headed North after they heard the commotion of the BDMs chasing the Nkuhuma YMs but just seen a comment on ig from a reliable source saying S8 and Kambula YMs were also in the area, imagine the shock of the BDMs when they heard lions roaring from every direction and Mohawk plus the other YMs were probably involved in some way aswell. I mean what even happens at that point. Basically their daddy’s are brothers born in the same pride just the 6 black dam males father was younger so he didn’t join the coalition  (10-09-2023, 12:01 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:(10-09-2023, 03:13 AM)BA0701 Wrote: You may well be right. I just recall seeing a video that explained that after Notch's brother was killed, he and his sons went nomadic, and returned later to take the pride back over. Only thing I know for sure is that the Notchs were absolutely enormous lions Have you seen the 'Lion' episode of Dynasties (BBC/David Attenborough series)? The Marsh pride are in that, and I always wondered who were the males that turn up towards the end of the episode. I would guess either Romeo and Clawed or the Musketeers. 
That's it? A minor beating? What da heck? Is there more of this "beating"?
Im baffled if that is it. I guess lions mainly "kill" the opposition if it's 3+ vs 1. If it's 2vs1 then it's a "beating" given a chance to survive but mainly a show of force unless it's Mr.T/KT  (10-11-2023, 02:02 PM)Robot00 Wrote: That's it? A minor beating? What da heck? Is there more of this "beating"?This isn't the first time they caught n beat him up. So, they have been way too nice with him.
Very weird interaction, not only did it look like he escaped without any true injuries but before the video ends, it looks like they walked away and left him on the airfield in their own territory.
I've been saying this in other threads.
If PCMs wanted Tumbela dead, he would be long time ago. PCMs just dont see him as a major threat, as he is lone male, thats it, lions feel power lvls, regardless what we think, we dont know what lions think, this is similar as when Nhenha/NK didnt kill Limper, when they could. And Tumbela is not 100% healthy lion, (as some claim), just look at his back left hip, he is also not challenging PCMs, which is big part why he is still alive. (10-11-2023, 02:02 PM)Robot00 Wrote: Im baffled if that is it. I guess lions mainly "kill" the opposition if it's 3+ vs 1. If it's 2vs1 then it's a "beating" given a chance to survive but mainly a show of force unless it's Mr.T/KT PCMs could easily kill or fataly wound him here if they wanted, but they just asserted dominance, as they dont find him as major threat to their rule. Tumbela is not challenging them, he is submissive and not fully healthy, lions sense these stuff. 
In the video they did try to kill him. Some of these bites went for spots that would have ended Skorros life if they connected.
But once Skorro began to act submissive they relented and let him go. Most likely they liked the opportunity of surprise but werent in the mood for a fight. So wheter or not they want him death lies probably in the middle. Though one day they may pin him down before he gets a chance to beg for his life and then it will be the end of him. The real question is wheter or not they are making a mistake in letting him go. He may not be a threat to them, but he is still a big threat to the cubs.
Black Dam Males
The Black Dam males seem to be spending most of their time north of MalaMala, periodically going south onto the property.
Other Lions
Don’t think I’ve seen an update on the Talamati YMs in over a week, hope they good.
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