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(09-14-2020, 03:12 PM)Slayerd Wrote: These boys have an advantage in the Nharu male. Lions that had leaders that were older achieved great success in their takeovers. The Mapogos in Makhulu, the Matimbas in Ndunha, the Birminghams in Nsuku, the Mantimahle in the Boss etc. It will be interesting to see what they do and how the Avocas react. They are scattered and injured and are inexperienced in takeovers unlike the Bboys and their older brothers in the south who put fear into the N'was when they caught wind. I'm not that worried for the Nkuhuma and Talamati but more for the Ximunghwe lioness who has 1 small cub.
S. Avocas didnt chase N'ws.
People underestimate N. Avocas because they didnt faught for their territory, but those 3 brothers together didnt take any shit from older males in their nomadic life, they beat Scorro and 2 S. Matimbas 3 years ago, S. Matimbas at that time where still strong males, and 3 N. Avocas at the age of only 4.5 yrs old almost killed them..
Biggest disadvantage for N. Avocas are that they are split, no 2 males has a chance vs 4 males, but all 3 together would be hard to beat for 4 young males, DM is a monster..
Will be interesting to see if DM will reunite with his brothers if young Mbiris start roaring in between them..
S Avocas did chase the N'was at the start of the year at Skakuza Kruger border. There was a video. Also the N Avocas are inexperienced in takeovers, thats what I said. This was mentioned by Safari Live yesterday as well. They caught the Matimbas at 12 years and both were nomads in terrible condition at the time and were separated both times. The N Avocas are not only scattered but also injured. Said yesterday by Safari Live, DM has a limp and so does Blondie. Mohawk is the healthiest but apparently has TB though its not a problem at the moment. This obviously doesn't mean they will be pushovers, it just shows their poor state at this very moment in time. DM is apparently a monster in size but lacks experience in fighting other lions and is alone and injured rn. Also I'm just pointing out that the Mbiri have a leader in the Nharu and that's an advantage for them not against the Avocas specifically but as a coalition. When he grows and becomes more confident, so does the coalition.
Nailed It.
The N. Avocas when they had a fight with the Southern Matimba,the Matimba males were in very bad condition,HB was weak and skinny,his brother Ginger not was much better but was "OK" and also them were nomads as far I remember,The N.Avoca were involved on a few fights before but the experience still not is on his favour,specially how they need do with a coalition of four like the Mbiri+Nharu.
Also a very good point that Safari live mentioned, two of three N.Avoca males not are in good condition to fight with other coalition of four members,Blondie has a injured back leg,DM a front paw. I don't saying that they not are able to win the battle,but their chances no are the best!
09-14-2020, 06:33 PM( This post was last modified: 09-15-2020, 02:35 AM by T I N O )
This whole episode of the Othawa lion pride taking down a buffalo was hands down one of the most exciting events I have witnessed in the bush. It really does not happen often to see the whole process from start to finish. See my Instagram Stories for scenes from the buffalo hunt. Photo credit to: Cal Butler Sabi Sand-Leopard Hills PGR,Posted: 14/09/2020
(09-14-2020, 03:12 PM)Slayerd Wrote: These boys have an advantage in the Nharu male. Lions that had leaders that were older achieved great success in their takeovers. The Mapogos in Makhulu, the Matimbas in Ndunha, the Birminghams in Nsuku, the Mantimahle in the Boss etc. It will be interesting to see what they do and how the Avocas react. They are scattered and injured and are inexperienced in takeovers unlike the Bboys and their older brothers in the south who put fear into the N'was when they caught wind. I'm not that worried for the Nkuhuma and Talamati but more for the Ximunghwe lioness who has 1 small cub.
S. Avocas didnt chase N'ws.
People underestimate N. Avocas because they didnt faught for their territory, but those 3 brothers together didnt take any shit from older males in their nomadic life, they beat Scorro and 2 S. Matimbas 3 years ago, S. Matimbas at that time where still strong males, and 3 N. Avocas at the age of only 4.5 yrs old almost killed them..
Biggest disadvantage for N. Avocas are that they are split, no 2 males has a chance vs 4 males, but all 3 together would be hard to beat for 4 young males, DM is a monster..
Will be interesting to see if DM will reunite with his brothers if young Mbiris start roaring in between them..
I don't think the N-Avocas are push overs and they have done well against lone older males (Scorro and Hairy Belly as you mentioned.) If you read the reports from the fight at Imbali, Ginger was limping badly and couldn't keep up with Hairy Belly. If they were together and healthy the outcome may have been different. A few days after that the Northern Avocas ran into Junior and Buddy and were chased around for a bit. Then a few weeks later the BBoys tracked them down and they got separated which means there were at the receiving end of things. Granted they were much younger and smaller but lets not ignore the fact that they just waltzed into a vacuum and had a tough time of chasing away a bunch of tenacious sub-adult males.
The intruders are a bunch of young lions so they may get pushed out. But in a few months they will be back and things don't look good for the Northern Avocas.
Personally, I hate the dynamics in Sabi Sands to be upended as there are a bunch of new cubs in several prides.
09-14-2020, 06:54 PM( This post was last modified: 09-14-2020, 07:06 PM by Tr1x24 )
(09-14-2020, 06:15 PM)Slayerd Wrote: S Avocas did chase the N'was at the start of the year at Skakuza Kruger border. There was a video. Also the N Avocas are inexperienced in takeovers, thats what I said. This was mentioned by Safari Live yesterday as well. They caught the Matimbas at 12 years and both were nomads in terrible condition at the time and were separated both times. The N Avocas are not only scattered but also injured. Said yesterday by Safari Live, DM has a limp and so does Blondie. Mohawk is the healthiest but apparently has TB though its not a problem at the moment. This obviously doesn't mean they will be pushovers, it just shows their poor state at this very moment in time. DM is apparently a monster in size but lacks experience in fighting other lions and is alone and injured rn. Also I'm just pointing out that the Mbiri have a leader in the Nharu and that's an advantage for them not against the Avocas specifically but as a coalition. When he grows and becomes more confident, so does the coalition.
That chase happened on S1 west of Skukuza and Kruger Gate, thats 10,15 km out of S. Avocas territory (check map), Avocas where never seen west of Skukuza... Those where most likely DeLaporte males..
DM pretty much healed from that injury, but broken bone didn't heal well so that limp will be permanently..
Blondie recently was seen without a limp, and Mohawk is in great condition..
When we talk about experience, keep in mind that this young males have 0 experience, they just left natal pride few months ago, they prob never fight adult male..
(09-14-2020, 06:33 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: This whole episode of the Othawa lion pride taking down a buffalo was hands down one of the most exciting events I have witnessed in the bush. It really does not happen often to see the whole process from start to finish. See my Instagram Stories for scenes from the buffalo hunt. Photo credit to: Cat Butler Sabi Sand-Leopard Hills PGR,Posted: 14/09/2020
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Whole episode:
It is nice to see youngest members of the pride taking part in the hunt especially that with Tumbela males lurking around the corner it is uncertain for how long Othawa youngsters will be adle to stick with the pride.
(09-14-2020, 06:15 PM)Slayerd Wrote: S Avocas did chase the N'was at the start of the year at Skakuza Kruger border. There was a video. Also the N Avocas are inexperienced in takeovers, thats what I said. This was mentioned by Safari Live yesterday as well. They caught the Matimbas at 12 years and both were nomads in terrible condition at the time and were separated both times. The N Avocas are not only scattered but also injured. Said yesterday by Safari Live, DM has a limp and so does Blondie. Mohawk is the healthiest but apparently has TB though its not a problem at the moment. This obviously doesn't mean they will be pushovers, it just shows their poor state at this very moment in time. DM is apparently a monster in size but lacks experience in fighting other lions and is alone and injured rn. Also I'm just pointing out that the Mbiri have a leader in the Nharu and that's an advantage for them not against the Avocas specifically but as a coalition. When he grows and becomes more confident, so does the coalition.
That chase happened on S1 west of Skukuza and Kruger Gate, thats 10,15 km out of S. Avocas territory (check map), Avocas where never seen west of Skukuza... Those where most likely DeLaporte males..
DM pretty much healed from that injury, but broken bone didn't heal well so that limp will be permanently..
Blondie recently was seen without a limp, and Mohawk is in great condition..
When we talk about experience, keep in mind that this young males have 0 experience, they just left natal pride few months ago, they prob never fight adult male..
The Styx pride on the move at Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve
Photo credits to: (1-2-3) to: Amy Leigh. (4-5-6-7) Andries Ndlovu and (8) to: Graeme Stewart
Sabi Sabi PGR,Posted: 14/09/2020
The Talamati pride seen recently again at Cheetah Plains Private Game Reserve.
The sub-adults looking in fantastic shape and also the lionesses,specially the silver-eye.
Who probably she comes from the Nkuhuma pride during the Mapogo take-over!
Another recent sighting of Talamati Pride, taking some crucial wrestling stunts! In the wilderness practice really make them perfect...they need each other's engagement in order to complete such scenario....
Birmingham Tinyo surveying his kingdom, always ready for action - Probably one of the most successfully coalitions that has walk though the Sabi Sand Game Reserve in the last years.
Photo credit to: Nic Nel
Sabi Sand-MalaMala GR,Posted: 16/07/2019.
