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(07-06-2024, 07:54 PM)KM600 Wrote: These boys should be around the same age as the PCMs with Sekoti being around 2 years older. Anytime I see a photo of them, I notice they still have clean faces for a coalition that rules such a big territory. Most likely means these boys are well respected and haven’t faced a serious challenge, I mean so were their fathers and it was just two of them so imagine 4 big males. Should also mean each member has a unique bond, we’ve all seen coalition members who inflict serious injuries upon one another over simple things such as mating rights. These boys seem to be different.
They are the sons of Sekekama and Torn Nose, right? I always wondered why Savage Kingdom did not show much of Torn Nose, they almost made him appear a wandering nomad. Any word on Tseketi, recently? He too, could have had another brother, had Sekekama not killed him, he killed that young male for venturing too close to his mother, and yet permitted Tseketi to linger longer than most. Lion behavior seems to always remind us just how little we understand about them.
Last update of Tsekedi was in 2022 and yes these males are the youngest brothers of Tsekedi, all born into Marsh Pride. I, too, didn’t like how TornNose coming across in Savage Kingdom. It was almost like they shut him down to build up Sekekama that much more to further show the harsh realities of lions. I get it, they decided to take that route to sell their idea and it worked.
Just a shame TornNose isn’t as famous worldwide especially being apart one of the most successful coalitions and ruling around 10 years as a duo with Sekekama, not even taking into account the other years he was also a dominant male in a coalition of 5 before they permanently split. It should be like how ppl speak on Kinky Tail and Mr T, u can’t mention one without the other.
Agree, entirely, on every point. Wasn't Tsekedi a member of another coalition, and didn't he have some conflict with other brothers from a different group? Matter of fact, and I could be wrong on this point, but I thought he'd had conflict with these boys. That entire area is filled with Sekekama and Torn Nose's legacy, massive lions in every direction. I don't even recall Savage Kingdom saying Torn Nose's name, he was always just the roaming "Brother", and I have all 4 seasons on DVD. Really sad, honestly, as without Torn Nose, I don't believe Sekekama is nearly as successful.
(07-06-2024, 07:54 PM)KM600 Wrote: These boys should be around the same age as the PCMs with Sekoti being around 2 years older. Anytime I see a photo of them, I notice they still have clean faces for a coalition that rules such a big territory. Most likely means these boys are well respected and haven’t faced a serious challenge, I mean so were their fathers and it was just two of them so imagine 4 big males. Should also mean each member has a unique bond, we’ve all seen coalition members who inflict serious injuries upon one another over simple things such as mating rights. These boys seem to be different.
They are the sons of Sekekama and Torn Nose, right? I always wondered why Savage Kingdom did not show much of Torn Nose, they almost made him appear a wandering nomad. Any word on Tseketi, recently? He too, could have had another brother, had Sekekama not killed him, he killed that young male for venturing too close to his mother, and yet permitted Tseketi to linger longer than most. Lion behavior seems to always remind us just how little we understand about them.
Last update of Tsekedi was in 2022 and yes these males are the youngest brothers of Tsekedi, all born into Marsh Pride. I, too, didn’t like how TornNose coming across in Savage Kingdom. It was almost like they shut him down to build up Sekekama that much more to further show the harsh realities of lions. I get it, they decided to take that route to sell their idea and it worked.
Just a shame TornNose isn’t as famous worldwide especially being apart one of the most successful coalitions and ruling around 10 years as a duo with Sekekama, not even taking into account the other years he was also a dominant male in a coalition of 5 before they permanently split. It should be like how ppl speak on Kinky Tail and Mr T, u can’t mention one without the other.
Agree, entirely, on every point. Wasn't Tsekedi a member of another coalition, and didn't he have some conflict with other brothers from a different group? Matter of fact, and I could be wrong on this point, but I thought he'd had conflict with these boys. That entire area is filled with Sekekama and Torn Nose's legacy, massive lions in every direction. I don't even recall Savage Kingdom saying Torn Nose's name, he was always just the roaming "Brother", and I have all 4 seasons on DVD. Really sad, honestly, as without Torn Nose, I don't believe Sekekama is nearly as successful.
Tsekedi was apart of a 4 male lion coalition. Blondie, Tsekedi and Pretty Boy come from Marsh Pride and Sand Ridge Male (half-brother to these boys) joined them. Was named the ‘Rebel Coalition.’ Sand Ridge died from a believed hunting injury and the other three brothers ended up taking over the North Pride, previously controlled by Sekekama and TornNose before they abandoned it after ousting their 5 sons, the Kwhai Boys.
The only brother from the Renegade Coalition, Tsekedi and his brothers encountered was their younger bro Sekoti. This was because Sekoti had reached independence and tried to join the coalition, as they were already pride males he obviously wasn’t accepted. He had no other males his age from Marsh Pride so stayed within the area after not being accepted by his older brothers, which ironically led to him being joined by his younger brothers.
There was atleast once instance where Tsekedi and Pretty Boy were said to have caught Sekoti but Sekekama and TornNose had come to his rescue and chased off their sons. Sekoti also fought Pretty Boy after the Rebel Coalition split with Tsekedi and Blondie leaving. Both males were injured with Sekoti said to have come off much worse. Eventually, the younger males from Marsh Pride joined Sekoti and they put serious pressure on Pretty Boy, now a lone male. He was boxed in between two separate 4 male lion coalitions and left his territory to surely escape death.
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(07-06-2024, 07:54 PM)KM600 Wrote: These boys should be around the same age as the PCMs with Sekoti being around 2 years older. Anytime I see a photo of them, I notice they still have clean faces for a coalition that rules such a big territory. Most likely means these boys are well respected and haven’t faced a serious challenge, I mean so were their fathers and it was just two of them so imagine 4 big males. Should also mean each member has a unique bond, we’ve all seen coalition members who inflict serious injuries upon one another over simple things such as mating rights. These boys seem to be different.
They are the sons of Sekekama and Torn Nose, right? I always wondered why Savage Kingdom did not show much of Torn Nose, they almost made him appear a wandering nomad. Any word on Tseketi, recently? He too, could have had another brother, had Sekekama not killed him, he killed that young male for venturing too close to his mother, and yet permitted Tseketi to linger longer than most. Lion behavior seems to always remind us just how little we understand about them.
Last update of Tsekedi was in 2022 and yes these males are the youngest brothers of Tsekedi, all born into Marsh Pride. I, too, didn’t like how TornNose coming across in Savage Kingdom. It was almost like they shut him down to build up Sekekama that much more to further show the harsh realities of lions. I get it, they decided to take that route to sell their idea and it worked.
Just a shame TornNose isn’t as famous worldwide especially being apart one of the most successful coalitions and ruling around 10 years as a duo with Sekekama, not even taking into account the other years he was also a dominant male in a coalition of 5 before they permanently split. It should be like how ppl speak on Kinky Tail and Mr T, u can’t mention one without the other.
Agree, entirely, on every point. Wasn't Tsekedi a member of another coalition, and didn't he have some conflict with other brothers from a different group? Matter of fact, and I could be wrong on this point, but I thought he'd had conflict with these boys. That entire area is filled with Sekekama and Torn Nose's legacy, massive lions in every direction. I don't even recall Savage Kingdom saying Torn Nose's name, he was always just the roaming "Brother", and I have all 4 seasons on DVD. Really sad, honestly, as without Torn Nose, I don't believe Sekekama is nearly as successful.
Tsekedi was apart of a 4 male lion coalition. Blondie, Tsekedi and Pretty Boy come from Marsh Pride and Sand Ridge Male (half-brother to these boys) joined them. Was named the ‘Rebel Coalition.’ Sand Ridge died from a believed hunting injury and the other three brothers ended up taking over the North Pride, previously controlled by Sekekama and TornNose before they abandoned it after ousting their 5 sons, the Kwhai Boys.
The only brother from the Renegade Coalition, Tsekedi and his brothers encountered was their younger bro Sekoti. This was because Sekoti had reached independence and tried to join the coalition, as they were already pride males he obviously wasn’t accepted. He had no other males his age from Marsh Pride so stayed within the area after not being accepted by his older brothers, which ironically led to him being joined by his younger brothers.
There was atleast once instance where Tsekedi and Pretty Boy were said to have caught Sekoti but Sekekama and TornNose had come to his rescue and chased off their sons. Sekoti also fought Pretty Boy after the Rebel Coalition split with Tsekedi and Blondie leaving. Both males were injured with Sekoti said to have come off much worse. Eventually, the younger males from Marsh Pride joined Sekoti and they put serious pressure on Pretty Boy, now a lone male. He was boxed in between two separate 4 male lion coalitions and left his territory to surely escape death.
Thank you, very much, for that fantastic run down of their histories, extremely helpful!
07-08-2024, 11:08 PM( This post was last modified: 07-08-2024, 11:13 PM by KM600 )
The Renegades have once again went into Marsh Pride territory. They had an altercation with the Mababe males (Tsunami and Gaam) last year in which they injured Gaam and then chased both, which happened on the border of both territories. Now, however they seem more in takeover mode and have been scent marking everywhere, clearly knowing their numbers advantage.
The dynamics of Savuti and the Marsh Pride especially recently are very interesting to say the least. The Mababe males ended up taking over from Sekekama and TornNose and essentially switched territories, Mababes decided to take Marsh Pride and Sekekama and TornNose went into Mababe. All seemed normal until photos of what seemed to be a younger Tsunami come out, photos I’ve already sent in here, which isn’t exactly definite proof but makes it a real possibility for Tsunami to be a direct son of Sekekama and TornNose and being born into Marsh Pride. Gaam could also be related but no such evidence exists for him.
Quite a head scratcher. I’ve never known of two seperate related coalitions possibly fighting over their own natal pride.
07-08-2024, 11:19 PM( This post was last modified: 07-08-2024, 11:23 PM by BA0701 )
(07-08-2024, 11:08 PM)KM600 Wrote: The Renegades have once again went into Marsh Pride territory. They had an altercation with the Mababe males (Tsunami and Gaam) last year in which they injured Gaam and then chased both, which happened on the border of both territories. Now, however they seem more in takeover mode and have been scent marking everywhere, clearly knowing their numbers advantage.
The dynamics of Savuti and the Marsh Pride especially recently are very interesting to say the least. The Mababe males ended up taking over from Sekekama and TornNose and essentially switched territories, Mababes decided to take Marsh Pride and Sekekama and TornNose went into Mababe. All seemed normal until photos of what seemed to be a younger Tsunami come out, photos I’ve already sent in here, which isn’t exactly definite proof but makes it a real possibility for Tsunami to be a direct son of Sekekama and TornNose and being born into Marsh Pride. Gaam could also be related but no such evidence exists for him.
Quite a head scratcher. I’ve never known of two seperate related coalitions possibly fighting over their own natal pride.
We saw the Mbiris have some exchanges with the Tintswalos, but such ocurrences are indeed quite rare. The Mibiri Males intentions still remain puzzling, given it was right after that incident, the Tintswalos left, and so did the Mbiris. It is rare that males take over their natal pride to begin with, but then to have two coalitions of males battling over their natal pride is even more so, especially since this is only the second time I have, personally, heard of it, ever.
(07-08-2024, 11:08 PM)KM600 Wrote: The Renegades have once again went into Marsh Pride territory. They had an altercation with the Mababe males (Tsunami and Gaam) last year in which they injured Gaam and then chased both, which happened on the border of both territories. Now, however they seem more in takeover mode and have been scent marking everywhere, clearly knowing their numbers advantage.
The dynamics of Savuti and the Marsh Pride especially recently are very interesting to say the least. The Mababe males ended up taking over from Sekekama and TornNose and essentially switched territories, Mababes decided to take Marsh Pride and Sekekama and TornNose went into Mababe. All seemed normal until photos of what seemed to be a younger Tsunami come out, photos I’ve already sent in here, which isn’t exactly definite proof but makes it a real possibility for Tsunami to be a direct son of Sekekama and TornNose and being born into Marsh Pride. Gaam could also be related but no such evidence exists for him.
Quite a head scratcher. I’ve never known of two seperate related coalitions possibly fighting over their own natal pride.
We saw the Mbiris have some exchanges with the Tintswalos, but such ocurrences are indeed quite rare. The Mibiri Males intentions still remain puzzling, given it was right after that incident, the Tintswalos left, and so did the Mbiris. It is rare that males take over their natal pride to begin with, but then to have two coalitions of males battling over their natal pride is even more so, especially since this is only the second time I have, personally, heard of it, ever.
I too thought of that but Mbiris were Tintswalos first ever pride, both the Renegade and Mababe males controlled different prides first. Still incredibly rare tho as u mentioned.
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(07-08-2024, 11:08 PM)KM600 Wrote: The Renegades have once again went into Marsh Pride territory. They had an altercation with the Mababe males (Tsunami and Gaam) last year in which they injured Gaam and then chased both, which happened on the border of both territories. Now, however they seem more in takeover mode and have been scent marking everywhere, clearly knowing their numbers advantage.
The dynamics of Savuti and the Marsh Pride especially recently are very interesting to say the least. The Mababe males ended up taking over from Sekekama and TornNose and essentially switched territories, Mababes decided to take Marsh Pride and Sekekama and TornNose went into Mababe. All seemed normal until photos of what seemed to be a younger Tsunami come out, photos I’ve already sent in here, which isn’t exactly definite proof but makes it a real possibility for Tsunami to be a direct son of Sekekama and TornNose and being born into Marsh Pride. Gaam could also be related but no such evidence exists for him.
Quite a head scratcher. I’ve never known of two seperate related coalitions possibly fighting over their own natal pride.
We saw the Mbiris have some exchanges with the Tintswalos, but such ocurrences are indeed quite rare. The Mibiri Males intentions still remain puzzling, given it was right after that incident, the Tintswalos left, and so did the Mbiris. It is rare that males take over their natal pride to begin with, but then to have two coalitions of males battling over their natal pride is even more so, especially since this is only the second time I have, personally, heard of it, ever.
I too thought of that but Mbiris were Tintswalos first ever pride, both the Renegade and Mababe males controlled different prides first. Still incredibly rare tho as u mentioned.
Very strange indeed, that they would control another pride, then return to their natal pride, unheard of really, as far as I am aware.
08-04-2024, 01:00 AM( This post was last modified: 08-04-2024, 01:09 AM by KM600 )
M1 and the cubs I was referring to.
There’s a better sighting of M1 in the photographers stories.
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Waziba, it’s said he’s now the biggest Renegade and the biggest lion in Savuti. He’s older than Pretty Boy 2 and Romeo by a few months with obviously Sekoti being older than all of them.
(08-04-2024, 01:00 AM)KM600 Wrote: M1 and the cubs I was referring to.
There’s a better sighting of M1 in the photographers stories.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Waziba, it’s said he’s now the biggest Renegade and the biggest lion in Savuti. He’s older than Pretty Boy 2 and Romeo by a few months with obviously Sekoti being older than all of them.
One thing is for certain, there can be no doubt as to the success of Sekekama and Torn Nose, they are responsible for a lot of the males in the area, not to mention the females as well.
(08-04-2024, 01:00 AM)KM600 Wrote: M1 and the cubs I was referring to.
There’s a better sighting of M1 in the photographers stories.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Waziba, it’s said he’s now the biggest Renegade and the biggest lion in Savuti. He’s older than Pretty Boy 2 and Romeo by a few months with obviously Sekoti being older than all of them.
One thing is for certain, there can be no doubt as to the success of Sekekama and Torn Nose, they are responsible for a lot of the males in the area, not to mention the females as well.
I often wonder this too, a shame females aren’t as documented as males, albeit I can see the reasons why. Their genetics are surely secured through both male and female offsprings.
(08-26-2024, 12:29 AM)Ngonya Wrote: 5/7 Destruction Boys crossing a river
All 5 look in great shape too. The bigger coalitions in these ‘harsher areas’ always seem more impressive to me. Not saying that lions everywhere else don’t struggle, but most not to the limit of Botswana lions etc.
08-26-2024, 12:59 AM( This post was last modified: 08-26-2024, 01:33 AM by KM600 )
Apparently these boys are referred to as the ‘Northern Alliance’, I like the name tho, very Game of Thrones esque. I seen a video of some of their offspring recently, and they have seem to have a few males all in good condition, hopefully they can form another strong coalition.
A lil update too. Remember when the 4 Renegade boys invaded Marsh Pride and were scent marking everywhere, well they have since returned but I haven’t seen an update on Marsh Pride male Gaam in a while. It could be nothing but his brother Tsunami has constantly been sighted. If there’s any following update on him, I’ll send it in here.
Edit: asked around including to this account, and been told Gaam was seen and looks fine. The leg injury he last had before disappearing for a short while seems to have gone.
