Lions from Botswana

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(08-30-2023, 05:36 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:16 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:15 AM)KM600 Wrote: I do have a fairly old map of the area I’m talking about on my phone but for whatever reason it’s not letting me send it on here.

What kind of file is it? Maybe this link will help:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-how-to-upload-image

It’s just a normal screenshot I’m tryna send, whenever I try do it thru the message it says ‘this image is copyright of its original author’ and when I try do it thru attachment it says the file is too large.

Do you know the size of the file? You are getting those messages wen trying to use Imgur, clicking on this button?

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[KM600]

(08-30-2023, 05:41 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:36 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:16 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:15 AM)KM600 Wrote: I do have a fairly old map of the area I’m talking about on my phone but for whatever reason it’s not letting me send it on here.

What kind of file is it? Maybe this link will help:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-how-to-upload-image

It’s just a normal screenshot I’m tryna send, whenever I try do it thru the message it says ‘this image is copyright of its original author’ and when I try do it thru attachment it says the file is too large.

Do you know the size of the file? You are getting those messages wen trying to use Imgur, clicking on this button?

*This image is copyright of its original author

3.1MB Reply

[BA0701]

(08-30-2023, 05:45 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:41 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:36 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:16 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 05:15 AM)KM600 Wrote: I do have a fairly old map of the area I’m talking about on my phone but for whatever reason it’s not letting me send it on here.

What kind of file is it? Maybe this link will help:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-how-to-upload-image

It’s just a normal screenshot I’m tryna send, whenever I try do it thru the message it says ‘this image is copyright of its original author’ and when I try do it thru attachment it says the file is too large.

Do you know the size of the file? You are getting those messages wen trying to use Imgur, clicking on this button?

*This image is copyright of its original author

3.1MB

I sent you a PM. Reply

[BA0701]

A map of the lions in Botswana, as sent to me by @KM600 

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[BA0701]

Pretty astonishing that Sekekama and Torn Nose are still a factor in the dynamics in this area, only elevating their legendary status. Didn't they still hold the Marsh Pride until just recently? Reply

[KM600]

(08-30-2023, 06:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Pretty astonishing that Sekekama and Torn Nose are still a factor in the dynamics in this area, only elevating their legendary status. Didn't they still hold the Marsh Pride until just recently?

Preciate u sending the photo thru and Yh they held it until 2021 I believe, nobody seems to know whether the Mababe males ousted them or whether they left due to the pressure. It’s also said that the territory they now occupy had previously belonged to the Mababe/Ku-Itze males so they essentially just switched territories with each other. @Hsnmhmd4426 on ig claims one of the two brothers could actually be related to Sekekama and TornNose in his previous post. Reply

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(08-30-2023, 06:39 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 06:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Pretty astonishing that Sekekama and Torn Nose are still a factor in the dynamics in this area, only elevating their legendary status. Didn't they still hold the Marsh Pride until just recently?

Preciate u sending the photo thru and Yh they held it until 2021 I believe, nobody seems to know whether the Mababe males ousted them or whether they left due to the pressure. It’s also said that the territory they now occupy had previously belonged to the Mababe/Ku-Itze males so they essentially just switched territories with each other. @Hsnmhmd4426 on ig claims one of the two brothers could actually be related to Sekekama and TornNose in his previous post.

Happy to help, not really sure what happened there, but am just glad that we got it posted. These sorts of maps are always very helpful, worth their weight in gold imo.

As for Sekekama and TN, they have been tremendously successful, have seen several generations of cubs through to adulthood. I still watch Savage Kingdom, even bought all of the DVDs. Reply

[KM600]

(08-30-2023, 06:23 AM)We BA0701 Wrote: A map of the lions in Botswana, as sent to me by @KM600 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Just a quick summary of the coalitions I know of:

Khwai boys were originally 5 males but 3 of them seem to have disappeared leaving just two - offspring of Sekekama and TornNose 

Machabe males were born in territory controlled by the 5 Selinda males (the original coalition of Sekekama and TornNose) so very likely they’re somehow related to both the brothers. 

Pretty Boy as seen above is a lone male ever since his brothers Tsekedi and Blondie left and use to control the area the Renegades now control. He was stuck between two big coalitions being the Renegades and the Phanbane coalition so he left and essentially let them fight it out, as seen above the Renegades seem to have won that altercation. Pretty Boy along with the 4 renegades are also offspring of Sekekama and TornNose. 

 

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(08-30-2023, 06:49 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 06:23 AM)We BA0701 Wrote: A map of the lions in Botswana, as sent to me by @KM600 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Just a quick summary of the coalitions I know of:

Khwai boys were originally 5 males but 3 of them seem to have disappeared leaving just two - offspring of Sekekama and TornNose 

Machabe males were born in territory controlled by the 5 Selinda males (the original coalition of Sekekama and TornNose) so very likely they’re somehow related to both the brothers. 

Pretty Boy as seen above is a lone male ever since his brothers Tsekedi and Blondie left and use to control the area the Renegades now control. He was stuck between two big coalitions being the Renegades and the Phanbane coalition so he left and essentially let them fight it out, as seen above the Renegades seem to have won that altercation. Pretty Boy along with the 4 renegades are also offspring of Sekekama and TornNose. 

 

Are Tsekedi and Blondie still in the area at all? I don't see them listed on there. Sekekama and TN seem to have populated the majority of the males in the entire area, that is incredible. Ross Males should also end up seeing many of their sons controlling a lot of areas and prides, in and around Kruger/Sabi Sands/ Timbavati/etc..., in the near future. Reply

[KM600]

(08-30-2023, 07:04 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 06:49 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(08-30-2023, 06:23 AM)We BA0701 Wrote: A map of the lions in Botswana, as sent to me by @KM600 

*This image is copyright of its original author

 

Are Tsekedi and Blondie still in the area at all? I don't see them listed on there. Sekekama and TN seem to have populated the majority of the males in the entire area, that is incredible. Ross Males should also end up seeing many of their sons controlling a lot of areas and prides, in and around Kruger/Sabi Sands/ Timbavati/etc..., in the near future.

Tsekedi was spotted in Moremi, which is believe is West of the Khwai Boys. I couldn’t find the post, but the caption mentioned the male controlling a territory along with his brothers, so if he is still with Blondie it seems they’ve also picked up another companion. Reply

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(08-30-2023, 06:23 AM)BA0701 Wrote: A map of the lions in Botswana, as sent to me by @KM600 

Excellent, great contribution. Reply

[KM600]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cwe9eTpsa8o/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Renegades before the fight against the Mababe males Reply

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(09-01-2023, 01:05 AM)KM600 Wrote: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cwe9eTpsa8o/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Renegades before the fight against the Mababe males

Man those are some big males. Reply

[KM600]

(09-01-2023, 01:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 01:05 AM)KM600 Wrote: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cwe9eTpsa8o/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Renegades before the fight against the Mababe males

Man those are some big males.

Apparently when they were filming Savage Kingdom Sekekama was around 240-250kg, wish there was more info on these boys tho, can’t even tell the difference between who’s who from this video. I think Pretty Boy II is the one who stopped as he seems bigger than the others and ppl believe he’s now the most dominant male, Sekoti was the only one who wasn’t there and he’s easy to spot cos of his snipped tale, then there’s Waziba and Romeo who I can’t tell apart. Reply

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(09-01-2023, 01:40 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 01:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 01:05 AM)KM600 Wrote: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cwe9eTpsa8o/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Renegades before the fight against the Mababe males

Man those are some big males.

Apparently when they were filming Savage Kingdom Sekekama was around 240-250kg, wish there was more info on these boys tho, can’t even tell the difference between who’s who from this video. I think Pretty Boy II is the one who stopped as he seems bigger than the others and ppl believe he’s now the most dominant male, Sekoti was the only one who wasn’t there and he’s easy to spot cos of his snipped tale, then there’s Waziba and Romeo who I can’t tell apart.

250kg, wow! I knew Sekekama was big, you could see his size when he was near the lionesses, had no idea he was that big. Reply