Lions and Tigers in India

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(11-16-2018, 11:39 PM)Rishi Wrote:

(11-16-2018, 09:19 PM)Shadow Wrote: I think, that people focus too much about predator vs predator hypotheses. There is no problem in Africa between leopards and lions. Some individuals die time to time, but that´s marginal...

I don't think you've understood the context. The initally posts on this are in the previous page.

Leopards don't share the same niche, but lions & tigers definitely did have an overlap, both socially & ecologically.
The two species may have been each other's limiting factor in Asia. In nature predators elbow out each other all the time. We are taking about those terms of coexistance.

We know they probably did coexist at places of India...

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Quote:Tigers have different kind of coloring than lions and it seems to work better on forest and long grass etc. Lion then again has coloring which works better in open terrain. Also hunting in prides mostly helps. It is obvious, that tiger can´t challenge lion pride or it is eliminated quickly, but I am pretty sure, that it isn´t main reason why tigers aren´t hunting in open terrain so much. 

C'mon, that's children's books stuff... Indian grasslands are not the same as African ones. Tigers blend in them way better that one might think, they intact do most of their hunting in grassland patches.

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Same for the lions. The dry forests & scrubs of the west hides the just as good as the tigers, sometimes even better.

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Quote:When thinking conservation of tigers, lions are not so important issue and vice versa.

How to avoid confrontations with humans and domestic animals and finding areas with enough prey are main issues. If/when tigers and lions meet, they handle those situations just fine, no need for anyone to worry about it, those confrontations aren´t threat to either species. Same thing with every animal, key is how to protect wild animals from humans, not from each others :)

Not talking about the human or conservation aspect here. Lions have a clear advantage in today's scenario & need to become for India's grassland what tigers are for the forests.
Those too are in the previous page...

I commented somewhat quickly and didn´t look so closely. Just... should I say shaking a little bit, because so many times these discussions go to predator vs predator kind of discussions and that is quite minor thing after all when we are looking situations with these animals. These animals have co-existed in Asia and hopefully do that again. Do they limit each others, why not in some level, but still that is quite natural, when one is adapted mostly to open areas and another to covered terrain.

Coloring is children´s book stuff, but so are most discussions about these tiger-lion discussions anyway. What comes to grass, it is not so much about color of grass, but how tall it is. Children´s book stuff too :) Anyway it is natural, that some territories are taken mostly by some species, but when talking about co-existence of these species, it is quite hard to find anything other really relevant, than human interference. If and hopefully when these species meet again in wildlife, there can be some fights, but it is what it is. Both animals are more than capable to kill each others, no matter if it is 1-1 or pride against 1. Of course when there is pride of lions, tiger has no other chance to survive, but flee.

Maybe I have just seen too many threads like "tiger vs lion" and am a little bit allergic to see those, that I can admit :) But when there are limited areas to use for national parks etc. I hope, that in India there could be found space so, that lions and tigers could co-exist at least in some parts as those have been there in the past. Reply