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Lion VS Buffalo: Blood Rivals

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Did anybody watch that doc last night?
It was a good one to check out, I'd be happy to discuss it with anyone who saw it and see what they thought.
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Sorry but what doc do you speak about ?
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(05-26-2015, 10:05 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Did anybody watch that doc last night?
It was a good one to check out, I'd be happy to discuss it with anyone who saw it and see what they thought.

 
@Pockets. Watched it the other night. No startling revelations, but interesting nonetheless. The one big bull (the herd protector),
who had a virtual pride on his back, is one tough SOB. Interesting to see how - time and again - the herd returned to thwart the
lions attempts after singling out a victim. All in all, a typical doc on the buffalo/lion dynamic. Blood rivals is an accurate summation. 
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(05-27-2015, 08:40 PM)'chaos' Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 10:05 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Did anybody watch that doc last night?
It was a good one to check out, I'd be happy to discuss it with anyone who saw it and see what they thought.


 
@Pockets. Watched it the other night. No startling revelations, but interesting nonetheless. The one big bull (the herd protector),
who had a virtual pride on his back, is one tough SOB. Interesting to see how - time and again - the herd returned to thwart the
lions attempts after singling out a victim. All in all, a typical doc on the buffalo/lion dynamic. Blood rivals is an accurate summation. 

 


Big Bull was such a fighter. Nothing new, thats for sure, but still really cool to see the dynamic between the two. Great to watch a how well the buffalo herds work together, all it takes is one to muster the courage to attack the lion pride and they all will follow.
King of the same in human culture, I guess.
Worth the time to watch if anybody else has not seen it.
 
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(05-27-2015, 10:13 AM)'Spalea' Wrote: Sorry but what doc do you speak about ?

 

Its called Lion vs Buffalo : Blood Rivals
http://natgeotv.com/za/blood-rivals-lion-vs-buffalo

Maybe you can find it on dailymotion or something.
Check it out.

 
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Great documentary showing the day to day battles between lion prides and buffalo herds that happen possibly every minute all over their sympatric range.
Pckts I believe you inquired elsewhere about travel to Tanzania, I just returned from a research/Safari trip that took me to eight national parks in Kenya and Tanzania where I studied the lion feeding ecology with respect to the presence of migratory wildebeest or not .
In Tanzania I went to the following areas:
Tarangire NP great to observe lions in a riverine woodland areas, if you are lucky you can also spot leopards and cheetahs
Lake Manyara famous for its tree- climbing lions who live in a thick woodland and eat buffalo mostly 
Ngorongoro Conservation Area here you can meet the Maasai and learn about their culture, visit Oldupai Gorge ( erroneously known in western media as Olduvai ) where humanity started , and definitely a trip to the famous Ngorongoro Crater..this 260 square kilometre crater is enclosed by crater walls of 2400 meters that make contact with the animals from the surrounding conservancy area of 8,999 square kilometres minimal, this is a predator paradise....a lake, a river, and a massive marsh provide water year round to the highest concentration of wildebeest, zebra, buffalo, Impala, warthogs, and gazelles in Africa 
It is a great place to see black rhinos , elephants, and hippos
The 62 lions that live here are definitely the largest in the world I saw six lionesses that rival the Serengeti males in size and two males that are larger than any lion I have ever seen captive or wild, only one reading from the crater of a 235 kg male is reported by Ingelssonn, the other readings are from the surrounding conservancy area where the Maasai live and the prey is not as dense, my guide told me that two males that died in the crater in the last few years were of comparable weight.
The Serengeti is the best place on earth to see all African mammals in the Seronera area you can get to two to three meters from lions, cheetah, leopards, and hyenas.
Hotel choices Sopa, Serena, and Tanganiyka are five star hotels with amazing accommodation and food
Feel free to ask me any details
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(10-22-2015, 12:01 AM)Dr Panthera Wrote: Great documentary showing the day to day battles between lion prides and buffalo herds that happen possibly every minute all over their sympatric range.
Pckts I believe you inquired elsewhere about travel to Tanzania, I just returned from a research/Safari trip that took me to eight national parks in Kenya and Tanzania where I studied the lion feeding ecology with respect to the presence of migratory wildebeest or not .
In Tanzania I went to the following areas:
Tarangire NP great to observe lions in a riverine woodland areas, if you are lucky you can also spot leopards and cheetahs
Lake Manyara famous for its tree- climbing lions who live in a thick woodland and eat buffalo mostly 
Ngorongoro Conservation Area here you can meet the Maasai and learn about their culture, visit Oldupai Gorge ( erroneously known in western media as Olduvai ) where humanity started , and definitely a trip to the famous Ngorongoro Crater..this 260 square kilometre crater is enclosed by crater walls of 2400 meters that make contact with the animals from the surrounding conservancy area of 8,999 square kilometres minimal, this is a predator paradise....a lake, a river, and a massive marsh provide water year round to the highest concentration of wildebeest, zebra, buffalo, Impala, warthogs, and gazelles in Africa 
It is a great place to see black rhinos , elephants, and hippos
The 62 lions that live here are definitely the largest in the world I saw six lionesses that rival the Serengeti males in size and two males that are larger than any lion I have ever seen captive or wild, only one reading from the crater of a 235 kg male is reported by Ingelssonn, the other readings are from the surrounding conservancy area where the Maasai live and the prey is not as dense, my guide told me that two males that died in the crater in the last few years were of comparable weight.
The Serengeti is the best place on earth to see all African mammals in the Seronera area you can get to two to three meters from lions, cheetah, leopards, and hyenas.
Hotel choices Sopa, Serena, and Tanganiyka are five star hotels with amazing accommodation and food
Feel free to ask me any details
Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!

This is exactly what I have been looking at.
Right now I am getting quotes from Safari365  and Roysafari (recommended by Kanwar)

I would love to know what operator you used and which company.
Im going in Sept. So its prime migration time, and I cannot wait!!!

My GF is pushing for us to finish our trip at Zanzibar beach, which may get in the way of the Serengeti/Ngorongo trip and force us to go to a different reserve. But I have roy and safari365 both looking in to it for me at the moment.

Very nice info on the crater male, I wish we could get confirmation on the 235kg weight number, but that would definitely be a large male lion. I spoke with packer on lions from the serengetti which he said aren't particularly large lions, he was unaware of any weights taken of crater lions but he said their chest girths were as large as he had seen and thought they were large lions.
Since they are infact the same lions as serengetti lions, I must assume that they are just much more massive in girth?

I'm soo happy you just recently went on this trip, I will definitely be picking your brain on where and what you think are the best choices.
Thanks again
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