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Kambula/Ntsevu males
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 (11-16-2024, 10:25 PM)Ngonya Wrote: i still get confused when thinking about them getting cornered. I think it goes that neither of past incidents was really territorial clash, where Kambulas directly challenge those males, yet more so they just bump onto each others or around carcass. Territorial males will not always straight up kill random nomad who is not challenging them, they will just give him a lesson. This K4 clash was territorial clash, and as we see, he was inches away from death, Mantimahles might even taught that he is done from those injuries, males rarelly kill to the end, they often just leave disabled enemy to his fate. PCMs similary did to Nhenha.  (11-16-2024, 06:40 AM)Horizon Wrote: True. Wide Nose had a far not so nasty looking injury to his rear leg but it got better of him eventually. His leg was twisted by his attackers, not so much mauled like here. Because of that, it seriously hindered WN’s movement. So can’t judge by the initial days looks. No serious predictions from here, only gut feeling.. K4 may be will survive this. Wide Nose was also straight up on his feet after the attack, and yet it still got the better of him in the end, as you said. However, he already had one bad leg, so it might have been the two bad legs together that made moving around too much of a struggle for him. (11-16-2024, 06:51 AM)Horizon Wrote: I don’t think so. Even three of them survive for another 6 to 8 months, at some point next year, they should easily become dominant. Some here are getting carried away and becoming impatient. 3 to 4 healthy lions of 7 years of age, should easily become dominant, no matter what. The issue is that males have a very short window to be territorial males, especially compared to the lifespan and cub-raising years of lionesses. Once they reach/approach the age of 10, the likelihood of them being pushed-out by younger males increases. They're already late in getting started, and 7 would give them an even shorter window, unless they unlock their Majingilane genes and remain pride/territorial males beyond their prime years. I wouldn't call it impatience, just trying to be realistic about their chances, from observations of their behaviour so far. But perhaps we are being a little pessimistic. You're probably right, the likelihood of a coalition of males like this never becoming dominant males seems incredibly low. But sometimes it's better to temper your expectations, and be pleasantly surprised, than to assume that something will happen, and then be disappointed when it doesn't. 
If anything this shows that having big numbers does not automatically equate to success. There are a lot of factors, such as skill, confidence, luck and personalities. Ultimately each coalition has to prove they have what it got to be territorial. And the Kambullas so far haven't.
With K4 likely permanently out of commision as their top cat, It will be interesting to see how the others adapt. They may fall apart completely, but it may also force the others to step up their game and come into their own.  K4 is seen with some of the Nkuhumas on November 16 according to Kimberly Lopez post in the comment section.
Also in the morning Novemeber 17 it is said in WildEarth that K4 is joined by the Southern Black Dam Male, but from Kimberly Lopez another post she stated that SBDM is alone.
Kimberly Lopez information is from a guide in the North called Tony Raiburn.
 (11-17-2024, 09:06 PM)sunless Wrote: Very odd, if the SBDM and K4 are together, two males, each a bit motley. Certainly wouldn't bode well for SBDM if the remaining Kambulas arrived on scene.
Kambula Update Yesterday (November 17, 2024):
K4 Alone  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author K6 (not sure)  *This image is copyright of its original author K3 and K6  *This image is copyright of its original author K5 Looking GOOD  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Pale Eyes Nkuhuma joined the 3 Kambulas and some of the Nkuhumas is with K4. Credits to jakestander IG stories, you can also see it, it is in his story highlights link below: https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18021577913535393/  (11-17-2024, 10:23 PM)sunless Wrote: K6 (not sure)correct (11-17-2024, 10:23 PM)sunless Wrote: K3 and K6wow they are looking a bit like Majingilane here. Golden Mane in the back and Dark Mane in front, very impressive. those pictures on K4, he still looks pretty bad. Perhaps a good meal could be enough for him to regain some condition. Hopefully we'll have some answer on whats up with his leg. And again, hopefully not permanent damage. 
3 Kambulas close to K4 then?
Nkuhumas seems to have accepted them, they probably think they are the best thing around due to their numbers. (11-17-2024, 10:53 PM)Mapokser Wrote: 3 Kambulas close to K4 then? Let's hope he reunites with his brothers. If he's only with Nkuhumas they might attract the Mantimahle males again, which would not be good for K4. (11-17-2024, 10:23 PM)sunless Wrote: Kambula Update Yesterday (November 17, 2024): Man, I hope his brothers are able to make a kill close to where he is, he needs it. As has already been mentioned, lions can lose condition very quickly, and you can already see his hip bones protruding in these pics. This situation is getting more serious by the day. As has also, already, been mentioned, but K4 is the most territorial of them all, if he falls, there really is no telling how the others will respond, but their odds will surely be diminished.
So they are all in same area by the looks of it.
Maybe they meet with K4 already, but K4 cant follow them around in this condition yet. Hopefully they or NKs make a big kill in the area so K4 can join. Other Kambulas also look with empty belly's, so they will prob hunt this night.
@NLAL11 I'm not sure who's more likely to attract the Mantimahle, Nkuhumas or the Kambulas. K4's roaring was probably what attracted them, and the other 3 Kambulas were roaring in the North.
If the 3 Kambula keeps roaring and the Mantimahles show up to confront them, K4 is better to not be around. Of course, if the 3 healthy Kambulas would chase the Mantimahle they'd give their brother a safer environment to recover but I don't think any of us expects the 3 brothers to even try to face the 2 Mantimahle if it comes to it. (11-18-2024, 03:59 AM)Mapokser Wrote: If the 3 Kambula keeps roaring and the Mantimahles show up to confront them, K4 is better to not be around. Interesting to see 3 roaring, looks like K4 was indeed alone when he clashed Mantimahles, as i dont see them returning back and roar few days after if they where chased of initially. Them leaving south and not roaring with K4 was prob reason why Mantimahles got attracted to only 1 male lion roar, I dont think Mantimahles would dare to challenge 4 male lions roars. I think this saga between Kambulas and Mantimahles is far from over, I expect more fights/clashes, potentially even fatal blows. 
K4 - lose some muscle and weight, But can move , also rainy season good for him. Photo by Jakestander (IG stories)
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@Tr1x24 I mean the 4 of them have been roaring together for 1,5 year now and yet have been punching bags for all the other duos besides the BDM.
These lions knows one another and can probably sense their confidence, strength or whatever through the roars and scent-marking, Mantimahle have chased the Kambula multiple times and likely don't fear them. Unless the Kambulas confront the Mantimahle once, giving them some trouble, at least a back and forth chasing, the Mantimahle will likely see them as young challenging nomads that aren't fully ready and therefore can be charged upon, split and defeated. Same reason as why Mlowathi, S.Matimba or S.Avocas initially confronted the large coalitions that eventually ousted them. |
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