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[BoldChamp]

(10-11-2016, 07:57 AM)Polar Wrote: I have noticed this trend on Carnivora as well (visit there on a daily basis), especially on the thread marked as "Body Lengths and Weights of Tigers, Lions, Bears..."

He seems to be obsessed with that particular thread, and although many of his data points are quite correct, he seems to have the most issue in determining how to measure a big cat's total body length: he contradicts himself there.

In addition, I used to have an account at Carnivora with the same name "Polar" in 2014, but shortly after, Taipan banned me for "support of the tiger in the Lion vs Tiger thread without sufficient evidence". This was Taipan's exact reason for my ban, and he didn't even define what "sufficient" meant.

Carnivora has a larger database of factual and scientific documentation than WildFact (Ursus Arctos, for example), yet Carnivora is filled with an exaggerated amount of particular animal fans based on the animals in which Taipan chooses to prefer.

(10-11-2016, 08:09 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: @Pckts, don't worry about them. You know that they only want a War. Both of them are typical hardcore-lion-fanatics, just that. They are atavism of old times when only tiger-vs-lion existed.

That lion from Richard Kock was not confirmed by anyone, not even him confirmed it, and he gives two different answers, which is tricky. Interestingly, the only CONFIRMED record from Kenya is a male lion of 230 kg, confirmed by the Kenya Wildlife Service and Dr Patterson in his book about the Tsavo lions. Probably the same lion, but adjusted for stomach content? We don't know and sincerely don't care.

Now, the problem is that Nowell & Jackson (1996) quoted the record, so most of the modern books just copy-paste it with no real justification. But it is interesting that not even the "great lion lover" Yamaguchi accept this record, in fact he quoted the lion of 260 kg of Etosha (stomach content included) as the heaviest lion on record.

Waveriders and Boldchamp only want attention, they are jealous that our forum not just survived, but is a success, without need of silly "vs" debates. They are like the Da Vinci Code, they gain the attention of the common people for a moment, but latter they are ignored and they post forgotten.

Don't worry about them, time will take care of that.

No, i`m not jealous of attention. You seem to be very biased towards the lions, excluding certain pieces of data you find unconfirmed, but using data on tigers that isn`t confirmed, presenting lengths over curves of Bengals and Amurs as being straight-line measurements, when clearly they were not. Why would i be jealous of some forum? Haven`t even been posting much. The 272 kg lion was confirmed by the KWS, here: http://www.bioone.org/doi/pdf/10.2982/0012-8317%282001%2990%5B1:TSOMAL%5D2.0.CO;2 Reply