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06-30-2014, 04:34 AM( This post was last modified: 06-30-2014, 04:35 AM by Pckts )
Interesting idea about the swamp.
Makes perfect sense, water is key to life, here.
Peter once said a interesting theory, he said that lions probably hit a size limit lower than a tiger because in their eco system it is more important to have a "extra mouth" than super size. Maybe the less sexual dimorphism in lions compared to tigers is because of the benefit of "more mouths = more power".
I can find that kaziranga image gallery and post here if you haven't seen it?
I live close to the pittsburgh zoo and enjoy their big cats, their very old male lion died a few years back, they now have tw young males there. They also have amur tigers and were successful in breeding them. I cannot wait to go see them all, I was able to see the first litter on live video at the zoo, bddle feeding.~~On August 8, 2006, the Zoo's female Amur tiger, Toma, gave birth to a litter of three cubs. This is also a major accomplishment because Amurs are endangered, and every successful litter counts a great deal. Although one of the cubs died of a heart defect in September (a female named Nadya), the other two are healthy and doing well. The surviving cubs are a male named Petya and a female named Mara.Another Amur tiger cub was born to Toma on May 11, 2008. The male cub, Grom (name meaning Thunder for he was born during a thunderstorm), had been taken from his mother because Toma was not being very attentive to him. Handlers later determined that it is most likely because Toma is not producing enough milk, if any at all. On September 12, 2008, the baby cub was named after Billy Ray Cyrus, the country music and television star. Zoo representatives said the donors who paid to name the cub “Billy Ray” wanted to honor a late family member who was a big Cyrus fan.Billy Ray will likely grow up to be about 11 feet long and weigh 450 pounds, according to the Zoo.In 2010, three cubs were again born to Toma, and to Taiga their father. All three are doing very well at the zoo. Toma is caring for all three.
06-30-2014, 04:40 AM( This post was last modified: 06-30-2014, 04:43 AM by Pantherinae )
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: Interesting idea about the swamp.
Makes perfect sense, water is key to life, here.
Peter once said a interesting theory, he said that lions probably hit a size limit lower than a tiger because in their eco system it is more important to have a "extra mouth" than super size. Maybe the less sexual dimorphism in lions compared to tigers is because of the benefit of "more mouths = more power".
I can find that kaziranga image gallery and post here if you haven't seen it?
Yeah thats possible, because they are very the same under the skinn, but tigers can have the meal for themself, esspecially males, because female's have to share kills with cubs, and are abot the same size as lionesses!
And male tigers are bigger than male lions! Atleast in weight!
I also do have the image gallery of tigers from Kaziranga! KZT 083 is massive! And looks beuatiful, found a new favorite tiger! Wow!!!!
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: Interesting idea about the swamp.
Makes perfect sense, water is key to life, here.
Peter once said a interesting theory, he said that lions probably hit a size limit lower than a tiger because in their eco system it is more important to have a "extra mouth" than super size. Maybe the less sexual dimorphism in lions compared to tigers is because of the benefit of "more mouths = more power".
I can find that kaziranga image gallery and post here if you haven't seen it?
Yeah thats possible, because they are very the same under the skinn, but tigers can have the meal for themself, esspecially males, because female's have to share kills with cubs, and are abot the same size as lionesses!
And male tigers are bigger than male lions! Atleast in weight!
and body length [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
06-30-2014, 04:51 AM( This post was last modified: 06-30-2014, 04:52 AM by Pantherinae )
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote:
'Pantherinae dateline='' Wrote:
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: Interesting idea about the swamp.
Makes perfect sense, water is key to life, here.
Peter once said a interesting theory, he said that lions probably hit a size limit lower than a tiger because in their eco system it is more important to have a "extra mouth" than super size. Maybe the less sexual dimorphism in lions compared to tigers is because of the benefit of "more mouths = more power".
I can find that kaziranga image gallery and post here if you haven't seen it?
Yeah thats possible, because they are very the same under the skinn, but tigers can have the meal for themself, esspecially males, because female's have to share kills with cubs, and are abot the same size as lionesses!
And male tigers are bigger than male lions! Atleast in weight!
and body length [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Yeah sure the length! And lions are taller, from my own eye view they looked taller atleast Krüger lions are taller. When is was in south Africa I did vist a sanctury and one male there was so tall at it's shoulders, very impressive hight I'm a short guy but the shoulders was as high as the bottom of my ribs, almost 120, they said 128, but that was an over estimation, but still a very tall lion
Lions do seem to be taller more often. But from measurements I see, they are very close in shoulder height or almost even, tallest measurements actually coming from the tiger. I think the slunk posture of a tiger as well as a more arched spine, taller towards the back give a shorter preception to the eye.
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: Lions do seem to be taller more often. But from measurements I see, they are very close in shoulder height or almost even, tallest measurements actually coming from the tiger. I think the slunk posture of a tiger as well as a more arched spine, taller towards the back give a shorter preception to the eye.
Yeah it does, but still there is said everywhere, that lions are taller, but yeah tigers do have a taller back part, esspecially some induviduvals Ulysses do have a very tall back part, but I think lions and tigers are about the same hight. But as with tigeres can reach the highest weight, I think Lions can reach the highest shoulder hight! Have some very impressive hights in Krüger and I have seen some amazing hights from the Xakanaxa male lions, have them on first page of the lion directory! That lion is very tall. But there are tall tigers aswell.
I agree, lions definitely seem taller to the eye. That picture of Raja in front of the Jeep, where his shoulders are the height as the front. I couldn't believe Raja was that tall, he never seemed to be that large of a tiger, I was blown away at his height. Its deceiving, also interesting that its such a noticeable difference.
Here he is with a lioness, and these lions are from the Okavango delta, this male is probably just around the 220-230 kg weight class, because he is not fat, but he is a very big lion in length and hight.
And as I said these lionesses are said to be big and just compare him to them you can see how big he most likely is. And the lioness is still in front of him so he does probably have an very impressive shoulder hight!
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: I agree, lions definitely seem taller to the eye. That picture of Raja in front of the Jeep, where his shoulders are the height as the front. I couldn't believe Raja was that tall, he never seemed to be that large of a tiger, I was blown away at his height. Its deceiving, also interesting that its such a noticeable difference.
I haven't seen that picture of him, do you have it? Would have been cool to see! [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Here is the Xakanaxa male infromt of a Jeep! He does seem, massive my favorite lion! Just compare him to the man in the jeep, boy is he massive, as you said with Raja, i did never think of hi. As that big, but just by compareing him to other things you can see he is actually a very, very big specimen.
I think I uploaded it to the "B2 and other Tiger Images" thread as well. Check it out, he is very tall. Very big cat if you watch the Gaur kill vid. He is thick in the hind quarters as well, his smaller head and muscular body I think gives the impression of a regular sized tiger. But I haven't heard any eye witness remarks about him.
Another tiger that I heard was massive but looks short to me, is shivaji. Same kind of body as Raja, smaller neck/head area but extremely muscular.
Here is one of Kevin Richersons lions beside a jeep vehicle. Someone should get the information on the vehicle raja is in front of, I have the information on the vehicle in this picture and do a comparision! It would be interesting to see the difference!
06-30-2014, 05:35 AM( This post was last modified: 06-30-2014, 05:39 AM by Pckts )
Pantherinae-
That picture is great, if you compare his height to the jeep it is very similar to raja. I know they are different vehicles on different terrain, etc... but they are similar.
If you draw a straight line from right before the start of his mane on his back to the top of his skull, there is not much difference in shoulder height, they carry there head really high and that big ole mane really gives the impression of size.
Lioness- Nice comparison picture. I wish raja was walking on flat ground. The terrain is more on a cliff so they both are at slightly odd angles. But you get a nice impression.
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote: Its actually the picture in my Avatar Image. haha
I think I uploaded it to the "B2 and other Tiger Images" thread as well. Check it out, he is very tall. Very big cat if you watch the Gaur kill vid. He is thick in the hind quarters as well, his smaller head and muscular body I think gives the impression of a regular sized tiger. But I haven't heard any eye witness remarks about him.
Another tiger that I heard was massive but looks short to me, is shivaji. Same kind of body as Raja, smaller neck/head area but extremely muscular.
Okey I will go and seartch for that picture, yeah sometimes big induviduvals are beeing overshadowed by animals who looks big on pictures.
I love the arms of Raja, it just can't be anymore impressive. Raja kills the Gaur like the leopard who kills two wildebeest's at one time, almost the same technique!
