Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences

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(09-24-2020, 11:00 PM)Yusuf Wrote:

(09-24-2020, 10:58 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(09-24-2020, 08:01 PM)Yusuf Wrote:

(09-24-2020, 09:25 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(09-24-2020, 05:24 AM)Yusuf Wrote: Frederick Vaughan Kirbys Lion
Body Length:      218.44 cm  (7ft 2 inch.)

Total Length:      314.96 cm  (10ft 4inch.)

Shoulderheight: 109.22 cm (3ft 7 inch.) 

Forearmgirth:     50.8 cm    (20 inch.)

Bodygirth:           149.86 cm (4ft 11 inch.)

Weight≈             272 kg (600 Pounds)  (My Estimate)

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

It is weird that Kirby provided slightly different information for the same lion in other source (specialy the tail length), but as Kirby was a hunter there is a possibility that he also had the habit of hyperbolize in some cases. Check this far more detailed table from him:

*This image is copyright of its original author

The real total length was of 307.4 cm, although the tail was short. Interestingly that Kirby estimated this lion at over 500 lb, about 100 lb less than the largest tiger of Brander.

Hello, thanks for the picture.

He estimated his lion OVER 500 lbs which could mean everything. Anyways he said estimates arent reliable.

So in his other book he said the total Length was 10ft 4inch. , In the book 10ft 7 inch. and if we add Body and Tail the length is 10ft 1 inch. 

Its a bit weird..... I add 10ft 7 , 10ft 4 and 10ft 1 and devide it by 3 and i got exactly 10ft 4 (315cm). Therefore its fair in my opinion.

@Shadow @Pckts
Also the reports of the 250 kg lions is not only reported in the DAILYPROGRESS WEBSITE. Its mentioned in other websites. Note here we have more infos, pictures and who was there. At the top we have the Infos.
https://www.ocregister.com/2015/07/01/lions-reintroduced-to-rwanda-after-being-wiped-out-in-1994-war/

Simon Naylor, Phinda reserve manager, left, with Anton Louw, managing director at another reserve called Zuka, center, and Dr. Mike Toft, wildlife veterinarian, right, supervise as sedated, blindfolded lions laying in the dirt in Phinda Private Game Reserve, South Africa, Monday, June 29, 2015. The five female and two male lions are unwitting passengers about to embark on a 30-hour, 2,500-mile (4,000-kilometer) journey by truck and plane from South Africa to Akagera National Park in Rwanda, whose lion population was wiped out following the country's 1994 genocide.


Its clear that the storie is real. About the Lions that came to from South Africa to Rwanda. 7 Lions which is exactly the amount of lions that were weighed. There are more news on that but this should be enough
https://theconversation.com/why-moving-south-african-lions-to-rwanda-is-not-without-problems-46273#:~:text=Recently%20seven%20lions%20made%20a,many%20populations%20in%20recent%20decades.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/28/conservationists-to-move-south-africa-lions-to-rwanda/

I think i found his twitter account... from Christopher Torchia. Seem to be a very reliable guy. I have not a Twitter account. Maybe you can write him a message. i try now to find something to the other guys that were also involved.  Like 
https://twitter.com/torchiachris

Best regards.

I reply later better. But shortly, weights of those Rwanda lions are 100% sure incorrect. One of those females was only 1 year old. As it can be seen on different videos, one of those lionesses was really young.

So there is no doubt whatsoever, that weights which are mentioned aren´t reliable. If some reporter has written those in good faith, then he has been simply getting misinformation. I put here later some more sources just to show reality.

While it´s fair to say, that there are no big differences in sizes of lions and tigers, same time objectivity is needed. Mistakes happen and especially newspaper articles are often with mistakes. 250 kg or 550 lbs lion isn´t something like 8th wonder of the world, but still such weight is exceptional, not something what we could wait to see all the time in the wild.

Shadow the source even stated in the Paper... 5 lionesses from 396-418 lbs and two males of 550 lbs and SOME CUBS

I know. I read yesterday many articles and reports concerning those lions. As I told, one of those lionesses was 1 year old, practically a cub herself. It alone proves, that those weights are false. As I wrote before, it´s possible, that someone has reported weights with containers. It´s only explanation making some sense. There are many videos and photos of these lions from the time of relocation and there is nothing special. Average looking lions.

I have read dozens of newspaper articles concerning animals and then asking more from zoos etc. and newspaper articles have often false information. For instance when Kamchatka brown bear Peter the Great was relocated to Orsa zoo in Sweden, newspaper article after another told, that 1000 kg bear. From zoo they then told, that not even close, he was 570 kg at that time.

Odense zoo tiger Igor (Denmark) was mentioned in many newspaper articles to be 300 kg, when he had dental operations. In zoo leaflet he was told to be 250 kg. When I asked from the zoo, they told, that he was weighed to be (now I don´t remember exact weight) about 230 kg so, that tail wasn´t on the scale. Based on that they said, that he was max. 250 kg at that time. 

Newspaper articles can´t be trusted too much really. Especially when they give information indicating, that suddenly bunch of almost record braking animals in one place. Reply