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Captive Lion and Tiger weights

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(08-11-2019, 05:52 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: This is a picture of one of the tigers from 2013 when they were sub-adults. Notice the back of the ears. They are jet black and missing the oscilli.

Yes, I´ve seen that. One thing, btw about it, what they are and a good example about it, that why there is a need to be careful when reading articles from different medias.

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"Ipra Mekola, the one after whom Ipra was named, hopes the cubs are released into the wild soon. "These tigers are our pride," he says. "Earlier people did not even believe that Dibang Valley had tigers."

That's what so great about them, says Jahan Ahmed. "Initially we thought they may belong to the South China sub-species, and had probably migrated through the rugged Eastern Himalayas to the Dibang Valley. But genetic tests have confirmed that they are Royal Bengal tigers, proving once again that the species is not going to be wiped out, as people think.""

Source: http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/two-tigers-in-a-boat-to-say-nothing-of-the-900-km/1181860/6

This is quite interesting, that one source tells, that genetic tests have been made and results are clear. Then later another source claims, that there has been some tests, but no results.... so is there some problem in it, how information is forwarded to different people or what? Maybe time will tell.
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(08-11-2019, 05:51 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 05:26 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Hello @Shadow,

The video is of other captive tigers. In the post that you quoted by me, there was another link to an article, which talks about both the sibling tigers lacking oscilli or white patches on the back of their ears. You can clearly see tigers in the video have their oscilli.

There is a possibility that those tigers were kept away from public as to not get them used to humans because the original plan was to reintroduce them to the wild.

Those tigers are kept separately, that I found out when trying to find something. But there really isn´t too much about these tigers, which could be found easily at least. Maybe only way to get more information would be to contact that zoo/biological park. There is quite a lot of footage from there, but those don´t open up situation. Pity, it would be really interesting to see these tigers, especially a tigress claimed to be as big as male tigers tend to be.

(08-11-2019, 06:00 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 05:52 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: This is a picture of one of the tigers from 2013 when they were sub-adults. Notice the back of the ears. They are jet black and missing the oscilli.

Yes, I´ve seen that. One thing, btw about it, what they are and a good example about it, that why there is a need to be careful when reading articles from different medias.

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"Ipra Mekola, the one after whom Ipra was named, hopes the cubs are released into the wild soon. "These tigers are our pride," he says. "Earlier people did not even believe that Dibang Valley had tigers."

That's what so great about them, says Jahan Ahmed. "Initially we thought they may belong to the South China sub-species, and had probably migrated through the rugged Eastern Himalayas to the Dibang Valley. But genetic tests have confirmed that they are Royal Bengal tigers, proving once again that the species is not going to be wiped out, as people think.""

Source: http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/two-tigers-in-a-boat-to-say-nothing-of-the-900-km/1181860/6

This is quite interesting, that one source tells, that genetic tests have been made and results are clear. Then later another source claims, that there has been some tests, but no results.... so is there some problem in it, how information is forwarded to different people or what? Maybe time will tell.

They are Bengal tigers as proved by genetic analysis, but unlike any sub population of tigers sequenced from anywhere in India, whereby their closest relatives would be tigers from North Eastern India and flood plains (not Kaziranga as they have a different subpopulation marker). I did some research on it because while you and I haven’t seen the size of these tigers, YV Jhala, head of Wildlife Institute of India has and even he was taken aback by their size.

Yadvendradev V. Jhala, WII’s large carnivore expert, said the reported size of the Anini tigers does not match that of the Indo-Chinese that are smaller than the Royal Bengal. “The physical features of the two tigers at Itanagar zoo officials make them worthy of a study.” he said in Dehradun. ”
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(08-11-2019, 06:13 PM)Ashutosh Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 05:51 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 05:26 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Hello @Shadow,

The video is of other captive tigers. In the post that you quoted by me, there was another link to an article, which talks about both the sibling tigers lacking oscilli or white patches on the back of their ears. You can clearly see tigers in the video have their oscilli.

There is a possibility that those tigers were kept away from public as to not get them used to humans because the original plan was to reintroduce them to the wild.

Those tigers are kept separately, that I found out when trying to find something. But there really isn´t too much about these tigers, which could be found easily at least. Maybe only way to get more information would be to contact that zoo/biological park. There is quite a lot of footage from there, but those don´t open up situation. Pity, it would be really interesting to see these tigers, especially a tigress claimed to be as big as male tigers tend to be.

(08-11-2019, 06:00 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 05:52 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: This is a picture of one of the tigers from 2013 when they were sub-adults. Notice the back of the ears. They are jet black and missing the oscilli.

Yes, I´ve seen that. One thing, btw about it, what they are and a good example about it, that why there is a need to be careful when reading articles from different medias.

Quote:
"Ipra Mekola, the one after whom Ipra was named, hopes the cubs are released into the wild soon. "These tigers are our pride," he says. "Earlier people did not even believe that Dibang Valley had tigers."

That's what so great about them, says Jahan Ahmed. "Initially we thought they may belong to the South China sub-species, and had probably migrated through the rugged Eastern Himalayas to the Dibang Valley. But genetic tests have confirmed that they are Royal Bengal tigers, proving once again that the species is not going to be wiped out, as people think.""

Source: http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/two-tigers-in-a-boat-to-say-nothing-of-the-900-km/1181860/6

This is quite interesting, that one source tells, that genetic tests have been made and results are clear. Then later another source claims, that there has been some tests, but no results.... so is there some problem in it, how information is forwarded to different people or what? Maybe time will tell.

They are Bengal tigers as proved by genetic analysis, but unlike any sub population of tigers sequenced from anywhere in India, whereby their closest relatives would be tigers from North Eastern India and flood plains (not Kaziranga as they have a different subpopulation marker). I did some research on it because while you and I haven’t seen the size of these tigers, YV Jhala, head of Wildlife Institute of India has and even he was taken aback by their size.

Yadvendradev V. Jhala, WII’s large carnivore expert, said the reported size of the Anini tigers does not match that of the Indo-Chinese that are smaller than the Royal Bengal. “The physical features of the two tigers at Itanagar zoo officials make them worthy of a study.” he said in Dehradun. ”

What is the source of that? And did you notice "said the reported size of the Anini tigers"? 

So this seems to be an opinion based on some given information by someone (reporter, some professional, who?). So second hand information too, not seen those by himself.

One interesting quote too and showing how much contradictions there can be:
"Flago said, several quarters have claimed the species of the tiger as Royal Bengal Tiger, but the wildlife authority in the state believe it to be a Indo-Chinese species as the fur pattern are different and he size bigger than the Royal Bengal species."

Source: https://www.sentinelassam.com/news/rescued-tigers-add-grace-to-biological-park-in-itanagar/

But when quoting, put sources too so, that anyone interested can check it. Short quote alone gives only limited information about many issues.
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( This post was last modified: 08-12-2019, 12:29 AM by Shadow )

It is quite difficult to find photos of Ipra and Chipi.

I attach here one photo, which is Ipra, source: https://www.facebook.com/1658341017760812/photos/a.1667620683499512/2001889680072609/?type=3&theater

That photo can be zoomed in so, that main features of face pattern become visible quite ok. When looking at other photos it is easy to separate it from another tiger Takar.

When comparing to tiger in this video, this actually could be Ipra. Impossible to be 100% sure if not able to find better photos of Ipra. But this tiger on video isn´t Takar, that is clear, face pattern is too different.

If this tiger is Ipra, then I have my doubts about it, that how fit tiger it is. But as said, not sure about this even though it looks like a lot of same as Ipra in that photo, what comes to face pattern. Tiger appears at 7:22. It can be big though, impossible to say too much from these.






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Quote:What is the source of that? And did you notice "said the reported size of the Anini tigers"? 
Well, YV Jhala was the head of the largest tiger exercise in the world ever and personally saw nearly 2500 different tigers spanning over 36000 tiger photos camera trapped from all over India. So, if he says these two tigers are different and warrant a study based on their looks, how about let us take an expert in his field on his words?
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(08-12-2019, 02:01 AM)Ashutosh Wrote:
Quote:What is the source of that? And did you notice "said the reported size of the Anini tigers"? 
Well, YV Jhala was the head of the largest tiger exercise in the world ever and personally saw nearly 2500 different tigers spanning over 36000 tiger photos camera trapped from all over India. So, if he says these two tigers are different and warrant a study based on their looks, how about let us take an expert in his field on his words?

I don´t take unless he has seen those.

If someone tells me, that there are in one zoo two very big tigers, one 300 kg and one over 200 kg and female, I would say the same as YV Jhala, that worth to study closer. But that doesn´t prove anything about sizes of those tigers, no matter who says that same.

If YV Jhala say somewhere, that "I saw those tigers and they are huge", then a different thing. Anyone would say the same as was in that quote, if someone claims something like that, but not seen anything by him-/herself. I have seen too many misunderstandings and exaggerations to believe something, which is mentioned only in one newspaper article and nowhere else. Usually when somewhere is something exceptional, it can be found from multiple sources, not only one. And now there is only one interview published in different articles. So I wait until I make my own conclusions. More information is needed.
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