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(02-16-2020, 09:11 PM)Shadow Wrote: That seems to be a typo, that "lions", I mean this video was about that same case and no other lions anywhere.
Description: "This battle of the beasts has lasted over 20minutes and this is the last few. The bull is down but not out, but has he got enough to free himself? Finally the lion goes in for the kill but he under-estimates the bulls will to survive as the bull tosses him away. The lion leaves but later in the night they finished off the deed."
Or do you have more information about this case? I see only one lion and descriptions don´t give any hint about other lions.
Anyway there are more than one case so in that way this thread looks like to be old news.
The bull had been attacked by lions prior to the video beginning.
It had been battling for some time, which is obvious with it being a 22hr battle yet only 2 minutes of footage.
So where is told, that attacked by lions before this? Have you seen often, that only one lion is there killing a buffalo if there is whole pride or coalition nearby and buffalo is down? I don´t buy that explanation unless you have some source to confirm it. That guy on the video mention nothing about other lions.
Sure, lions abandon kills or leave it to males to finish or they're still there and help out later as its stated the bull still fights on.
The flip side is, have you ever seen a healthy bull like that be subdued by a lone lion, especially not even have the strength to stand?
You have to know that this fight has been going on for some time and that buffalo has been exhausted and injured.
If 3 large males can't overpower a healthy bull, what chance would a single lion have unless there are extenuating circumstances.
On top of all of that, it's already stated that "lions" had been attacking this bull for 22hrs.
Both headlines are lion and buffalo, not lions. The person talking tells nothing about other lions. That case is for me a clear case in which a male lion alone kills a cape buffalo bull. And obviously you don´t have any additional information concerning this case.
Drop down the description, they clearly state "lions" then "lion" for this scene.
I´ve seen descriptions but I´ve seen or heard nothing else about possible other lions. That one word in description, but maybe it can be asked from this person. They were there quite a long time and no other lions, so it´s hard to understand what other lions would be doing when there is easy meal around.
And what comes to it, that what it proves if some lions fail to do something in the group....
"Amateurs"
"Professional"
But now I have to do other things for some time :) Maybe we get some conclusive information about that one case later, it might be still possible.
Cows aren't in the same league as bulls, let alone a big alpha bull.
While I do agree some have more experience than others we can't make that assumption for the 3 males and especially if they're adults we have to assume that hunting buffalo has been their everyday experience.
In regards to the description, the narrator specifically mentions it as well as stating the bull had a badely injured front leg as well.
Those videos with cows, point wasn´t to compare cape buffalo cows and bulls. Just to show, that sharing some video in which some lions fail doesn´t mean, that a single lion couldn´t do it better. After all with bulls one main factor is to get it off balance and to fall. Or then injure it otherwise. And about badly injured front leg... lion in the video was biting it quite a lot, so it tends to lead to injury
Then again what comes to that incident, I managed to find a video clip, which 99,9% is about the same case and gives some additional information. Yes, there was after all another lion, but it appeared there after the first lion had downed that buffalo. And also in this video it can be seen how this first lion bites that leg, which in later videos is badly injured. Very interesting case overall and even though there was this another lion, I personally am very impressed for this lion, which took down that buffalo.
Here description: "It was a beautiful sunset over Banyini pan when in the distance I heard the distress calls of a buffalo. Racing over there I found a male lion had downed a huge bull. As it struggled a second lion arrived and went straight for the stranglehold muffling the bulls distress calls."
If it is the same account, which we dont know if it is or not it's still stated that the photographer heard distress calls first before he got there.
So how the buffalo got to this position is unknown but it's safe to assume both Lions were chasing him down.
Then the narrator says this bull got to his feet and fought off both Lions to a stalemate, he'll be sure to follow up in the morning.
This again showing that 2 lions even with a throat hold on an injured bull are still unable to finish the job.
It would be quite something if those videos would be about two different cases. That would be, imo, even more impressive. I´ll try to get more information from this person who filmed this though, hopefully it´s possible.
Then again for me there are too many things matching, 4 videos uploaded at same time with same looking lion and big cape buffalo bull and same kind of surroundings, coincidence? I don´t think so. Everyone can make their own conclusions. What impressed me was, that when this guy got to the place, there was one lion with downed bull, another lion appeared afterwards. And already in this (most probably) first clip he bite that same front leg, which he was biting also later and that leg then was badly injured. Did he do it on purpose or was it lucky coincidence, that would be interesting to know, but some things remain mysteries.
All in all, for me here is nothing more, I have no doubts what comes to it that lone male lion can kill an adult cape buffalo bull. Everyone else can look all videos in this thread and make their own conclusions. And also check that case from Londolozi with lioness, which is one really interesting too.
I will post though if I get still more information about this 2007 case(s). Otherwise I have no more interest concerning this thread for reasons I told already :)
Can a Lone Male Lion have a successful predation on a Adult Bull Buffalo?
