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Birmingham Pride of lions

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A whole lot of cubs (atleast 15) :



As Ngala said, these cubs are in much safer space now that their fathers managed to eliminate Guernsey male, as G/A where terrorizing them for months.

Btw, how many adult females are there, and their ages? I completley lost track of them, are oldest females still alive?
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(03-31-2024, 12:56 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: as G/A where terrorizing them for months.
That is what guide wrote exactly:

"We can’t help but wonder if they have noticed the absence of the Guernesy and Young Avoca males after the Mbirhi males killed one and chased the other off. Those males had posed a threat to all of these cubs for months, and the pride is now much safer with them gone."

saying "terrorizing" indicate there were some actual encounters between Guernesy, Avoca males and the Birmingham pride which is not the case as Guernesy and Avoca males were spending their time in Shindzela, not Ngala. Guide rather clearly indicates that their presence in the region itself was a threat for Birmingham pride, not that Guernesy and  Avoca males were terrorizing Birmingham pride
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(03-31-2024, 01:03 PM)Potato Wrote: saying "terrorizing" indicate there were some actual encounters between Guernesy, Avoca males and the Birmingham pride which is not the case

I guess you forgot that G/A attacked Birmingham pride and cubs few months ago when Shaka was seen injured near by? And females themselves managed to fend them off..

And now again tried to kill the cubs but Mbiris stand in.

But whatever.
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Thats still just two incidents over months though. I wonder if there have been more that went unreported.
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(03-31-2024, 01:38 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Thats still just two incidents over months though. I wonder if there have been more that went unreported.

Ngala's words, not my :

"Those males had posed a threat to all of these cubs for months, and the pride is now much safer with them gone."
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I am aware, which is why I am wondering if there were incidents we dont know about.
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( This post was last modified: 03-31-2024, 02:54 PM by Tr1x24 )

(03-31-2024, 02:38 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I am aware, which is why I am wondering if there were incidents we dont know about.

Obiviously we are not getting daily, or even weekly updates from Ngala about lion dynamics.

Just because we only have info about certain situations it doesnt mean that more was not going on.

And this is not only from Ngala, but from every reserve, some reserves put more info out, some less.

And even these who put regular info out, can miss some big things what happens, especially at night when lions are more active.

G/A where mating with Birmingham females towards the end, and where in Ngala/Shindzela area for many months, its very unlikely they encountered Birmingham pride only once before final clash.
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(03-31-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Just because we only have info about certain situations it doesnt mean that more was not going on.
Neither it means more was going on

(03-31-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: G/A where mating with Birmingham females towards the end
No, they were mating with Birmingham breakaway lionesses, a different pride owned by Ross males. On top of that it was on Shindzela not on Ngala so far enought from Mbiri males and Birmingham pride territory.

(03-31-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: and where in Ngala/Shindzela area for many months
They were in Shindzela arena, not in Ngala.

(03-31-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: its very unlikely they encountered Birmingham pride only once before final clash
Considering there was: no single report or any other signs of those males clashing with Mbiri males nor with Birmingham pride, not a single report of them even crossing into Ngala and that they were regulary seen on Shindzela property it is very likely that this single encounter that was reported was the only one that happened.
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@Potato yes, its exactly like you say, it doesnt matter what reserve says..
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Actually the initial reports about G/A attacking the Birmingham pride before the Mbiris arrived seems to be false.

It seems guides said the pride was nowhere near them, it was just Mbiris and G/A involved.

So there was only one known incident when G/A attacked the Birmingham pride, months ago.
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Some latest info about Birmingham Breakaway pride by Johan Smalman:


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