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Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage

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(04-18-2024, 12:14 AM)Robot00 Wrote: Made me wish the two southern kam boys stayed and conquer s.s. with their four brothers like mapogos did.
Even if they were 6, i doubt Kambulas would be anywhere near as agressive as Mapogo. At least as 6 they could already be territorial/pride males, especially because those who left to Kruger certainly have more attitude than their Sabi Sand's younger brothers.

And as Ndona says, theres no need for another Mapogo Coalition in Sabi Sand, nowhere actually.
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I concur, Mapogos were an overall failure, left the local population in worse place than it was when they took over. Eliminating (genetic) competition is one thing, not having much to show for progeny wise means it was for nothing. The other big coalitions that followed did much better in that regard (ofc inevitably in different circumstances, smaller populations have more for growth etc.). Wasted potential. Just brought attention to the local lion dynamics and fanboyism, for better or worse.
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@BA0701 I couldn't found the original post by Botha, but a few days ago a guy claimed Botha went to his page and had an argument with him, he made a post copying what Botha supposedly said. It looks reliable and it got shared by other reliable pages. I also saw that Botha is currently active on FB.

According to this person, Botha, furious about being accused of having a hand ln the killing of the Sand River pride, said that neither him nor his men had anything to do with it and the Minister of Environment was the one to give the order and send their men to do the job. He said the only weapon he had with him was a darting one.

When asked about Rasta he didn't reply.

When asked about the 100 lions thing, he said it was simply a fact and explains that he was by far the person who had spent the most time with the Mapogo and would in one week spend more time with them than most rangers did in their entire career.

He explains that guides and rangers could only traverse on their lodges' territories and traverse areas, and could only spend up to 30 minutes in a single sighting before having to give a chance to another guide to show that sighting to their guests because there were only 2-3 vehicles available by lodge.

He says that he, however, as head of the anti-poaching team, could traverse the entire Sabi Sands and follow the Mapogo everywhere, spending as much time with them as he wanted, and would spend hours and hours with them daily.

I always thought the 100 lions thing was nonsense, but Idube records over 60 lions in the Western Sector and Singita in 2006, of which only 10 survived the Mapogo ( 5 Ximhungwe, 2 Sand River, 2 Othawa and Nhlanguleni ).

Londolozi, IIIRC, reports over 20 lions killed by Mapogo, including an entire pride that went extinct, as well as the entire Tsalala pride but the 3 females and Solo.

The Nkuhuma was a super pride back then and was also decimated. The Styx and Sparta prides were also harassed for years by the Mapogos.

I don't know if they directly killed 100 lions, but at this point I think it's very likely over 100 lions were either killed by them or died due to their pressure, the vast majority cubs, obviously.
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(04-18-2024, 05:53 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @BA0701 I couldn't found the original post by Botha, but a few days ago a guy claimed Botha went to his page and had an argument with him, he made a post copying what Botha supposedly said. It looks reliable and it got shared by other reliable pages. I also saw that Botha is currently active on FB.

According to this person, Botha, furious about being accused of having a hand ln the killing of the Sand River pride, said that neither him nor his men had anything to do with it and the Minister of Environment was the one to give the order and send their men to do the job. He said the only weapon he had with him was a darting one.

When asked about Rasta he didn't reply.

When asked about the 100 lions thing, he said it was simply a fact and explains that he was by far the person who had spent the most time with the Mapogo and would in one week spend more time with them than most rangers did in their entire career.

He explains that guides and rangers could only traverse on their lodges' territories and traverse areas, and could only spend up to 30 minutes in a single sighting before having to give a chance to another guide to show that sighting to their guests because there were only 2-3 vehicles available by lodge.

He says that he, however, as head of the anti-poaching team, could traverse the entire Sabi Sands and follow the Mapogo everywhere, spending as much time with them as he wanted, and would spend hours and hours with them daily.

I always thought the 100 lions thing was nonsense, but Idube records over 60 lions in the Western Sector and Singita in 2006, of which only 10 survived the Mapogo ( 5 Ximhungwe, 2 Sand River, 2 Othawa and Nhlanguleni ).

Londolozi, IIIRC, reports over 20 lions killed by Mapogo, including an entire pride that went extinct, as well as the entire Tsalala pride but the 3 females and Solo.

The Nkuhuma was a super pride back then and was also decimated. The Styx and Sparta prides were also harassed for years by the Mapogos.

I don't know if they directly killed 100 lions, but at this point I think it's very likely over 100 lions were either killed by them or died due to their pressure, the vast majority cubs, obviously.

@Mapokser I will respond to this in the Mapogo thread, as this may get a little long, and is OT in this thread.
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"It's always nice seeing these lions, but they still haven't reunited. But the injured male is better than the last time i saw him.The two are still in the north with nkuhuma lionesses." By Andrea Sithole


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Londolozi w a great review, summary and post clash images of the injuries sustained by the Boys





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The Kambula young boys with Nkuhuma ladies.




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I was just posting this one.  I guess K5's injuries are better?  Young NK boy is my big worry here, and then sister when hopefully K3 and K6 make their way up here and they should!  How will the Nkuhuma pride treat dear sister?!?!?!
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( This post was last modified: 04-22-2024, 03:34 AM by Mapokser )

It'll soon be time for the NYM to go nomadic.

Edit: It seems K4 showed some aggression towards the male sub. Also, K5 has left the north and reunited with the others while K4 is still mating.

It seems besides K4 the others aren't interested at being dominant, even aftermating, K5 decides to go back to being a nomad, quite interesting.
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(04-22-2024, 01:04 AM)Mapokser Wrote: It seems besides K4 the others aren't interested at being dominant, even aftermating, K5 decides to go back to being a nomad, quite interesting.

Or they dont want to challenge K4, as we see he is pushing K5 away, that was prob case before also when they where initially in the north.

K4 is strongest, so others dont have much chance to take female from him at this stage, so they just return to their sister.

Regardless, they should eventually follow K4's lead.
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(04-22-2024, 01:04 AM)Mapokser Wrote: It'll soon be time for the NYM to go nomadic.

Edit: It seems K4 showed some aggression towards the male sub.

On the video sub male is checking one of the adult females from behind, that behaviour wont be tolerated.
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Londolozi Blog The Week in Pictures #645

https://blog.londolozi.com/2024/04/19/th...tures-645/

The Ntsevu males continue to impose their presence across northern and western parts Londolozi. A few nights after this photo was taken, they appeared to have had a run in with the Plains Camp Males and have been separated since that night. Only one seems to be significantly injured but he should heal quickly. (Possibly one of the last photos taken before they all got split up.)


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After a run in with the Plains Camp Coalition, this young Ntsevu Male has been nursing his in juries close to the Londolozi camps. As is usually the case when lions fight, the majority of his injuries are around his hind quarters. (K5 before he went north to join K4.)


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( This post was last modified: 04-23-2024, 09:06 PM by BA0701 )

Londolozi has released a video documenting what happened to the Kambula Breakaways, and the PCMs. I can tell you the injuries were a lot worse than we were aware of in the beginning.




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More of Kambulas at Umkumbe (except K4):




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( This post was last modified: 04-25-2024, 01:19 AM by T_Ferguson )

You can see the holes... Teeth Marks on K5 here pretty well.  Looks like he's healing up.



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