Bear Strength

[Shadow]

(10-23-2018, 09:01 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(10-23-2018, 05:23 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(10-23-2018, 04:21 PM)brotherbear Wrote: I have watched that video numerous times. It shows the strength and wrestling ability of the grizzly she-bear as well as her courage and determination to feed her cubs and herself. Also, those caribou antlers are sharp. I could almost hear "the gears grinding" in the bear's head - bears are thinkers. Great video Shadow.

Adult predators show quite good their experience and it was obvious, that this bear understood danger with antlers. Anyway here we could see a predator making an attack without surprise element and practically "wrestling" opponent to fall down. Not an easy task to do when prey is bigger than predator. And before someone rush to say "that it bite also that caribou", I would add, that I know it and I saw it, but this was still impressive.

Still when I read that research from Russia, it is maybe even more surprising. I mean many times people talk about gorilla making comparison how many times stronger it is than a human (never it is quite clear if comparison is to average man or someone really strong and we never have anything where to compare actually). Then here we have a test showing, that bear lifts 4,6 times it´s weight and wasn´t even close to maximum. There we have one very comparable result from a bear now. Anyone can go to gym and test. 

But I think, that this is quite unknown test though. I find it surprising when knowing how interested so many are about animal strength. And there we have a 83,7 kg bear showing to be most probably stronger, than strongest man ever. And I don´t mean now about that pound for pound alone, but I mean, that how much it can lift actually compared to a man, who lifts more weight from ground than anyone else. Those scientists seemed to think, that it could have lifted anything between 770-1100 kg. Even if they would be wrong, we have a fact, that this bear lifted about 400 kg just like that, effortlessly. I think, that it is quite safe to assume, that at least anything between 500-600 kg would be possible and that alone is quite something. I think, that most untrained men weighing 84 kg would have hard time to lift even 100-120 kg. Someone trained would lift maybe 140-160 kg. Trained powerlifters (with steroids... oh, sorry, of course they are all "clean" ; ) then more, but still nowhere close to what this bear did there.

1 pound is 0,454 kg, so 400 kg is about 881 lbs.

You should read through our discussion on this starting around post #39
"The pull test showed that both bears needed to exert full force or almost full force to pull that weight and did fairly close to each others time. I have seen my coach pull massive trucks, so I'm a bit jaded there. What I am surprised about is the deadlift weight of 387 kg for a bear weighing 85kg and he did it with ease and could of doubled or tripled that weight. We have a 125lber (maybe smaller) and he pulls around 525 on the dl... Or about 54kg to pull 240kg. So very close to the Bears pull, the difference is that is his max while the bear could of possibly doubled or tripled that. So it is safe to say that these two bears are at least double the strength of an equal sized professional power lifter or roughly triple the strength of a comparable male human."


Obviously overall the bear will be much stronger compared to a man lb for lb, but really you should only compare men in great physical condition, not the "average man" because even a captive animal still is an active animal when compared to a man, animals never sit behind a desk for 8 hours a day and stuff their face, their diet is regimented and they're day consists exercise, sleeping and eating. It's obviously not comparable to the true wild but compared to the average man, it may as well be. 

Aside from lifestyle differences, you also have morphological differences that make it impossible to compare human strength to bear strength. 
To be honest, I believe men would compare far better to pulling strength than lifting strength of a Bear, but even then its still going to favor a Bear, regardless. 
 

I don´t know what you mean by that, that I should read your discussion from starting post. I now commented mostly about that research and especially that lifting there, because it is very easy to compare to humans. There is no need to make it too complicated, when we are having there a bear lifting a barbell from ground. So we can easily compare that strength to normal... should I say "lazy ass" man, then it is pretty easy to compare to someone who is more active and have decent condition and then again also compare to strongest there are. 

I have noticed that sometimes people make actually quite simple things complicated. Here we have now a very simple test, bear lifting almost 400 kg from ground easily and weighing about 84 kg. So we have there easy comparison to humans with different conditions. We really don´t have too much this kind of information about many animals, instead a lot of speculation. That is why I am in a way surprised, that this test seems to be quite unknown.

About pull tests some extra info would be nice to know. now there is space for speculation. Reply