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Asiatic Lion - Data, Pictures & Videos

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(05-17-2018, 11:45 PM)Matias Wrote: As they both saw (Post # 432), for me, Bedhia story has nothing to do with strong paternal instincts stemming from natural family commitments, or greater chance of getting her past genes, facilities of greater triumph of natural selection, or paternal instinct...
...There is no way to respond to what led Bedhia to abandon all the natural behavior of males that genetics took tens of thousands of years to standardize. In such cases, it is best to simply admire and contemplate.

There's no point guessing the reason for his behaviour...

Anyway, i'd shared the case to facilitate better understanding of their social structure (which got completely ignored Don't know)!

(05-14-2018, 05:53 PM)Tshokwane Wrote: I tend to get a lof of heat because I don't hold back on calling hyenas ugly, and there are others that usually do that distinction with Asian lions.

What! How can someone think of these animals as ugly?

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Seriously though... I'd noticed that for some reason, despite high competition, resident pride males are mostly past-prime ones & manage to rule till an age which qualifies as "old".
However, i have no clue on the reason for it!
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(05-17-2018, 11:45 PM)Matias Wrote: @Spalea @Rishi 


As they both saw (Post # 432), for me, Bedhia story has nothing to do with strong paternal instincts stemming from natural family commitments, or greater chance of getting her past genes, facilities of greater triumph of natural selection, or paternal instinct "mutated" in the maternal instinct, or whatever rational logical conception we use to describe this unique event.

At first I also tried to understand the fact of scientifically known manners. But, in the absence of any comparative criterion, I abandoned deductive rationality. The singular nature of the fact pervades all logical understanding, and as much as we try to "clarify the why of the lion's behavior in the face of this challenge of creation," we shall err because all logic used can not be minimally proved. and such logical behavior explanations will have the same value as my anecdotal observations. There is no way to respond to what led Bedhia to abandon all the natural behavior of males that genetics took tens of thousands of years to standardize. In such cases, it is best to simply admire and contemplate.

Well ! Why does a fact A (loss of the mother) produce a fact B' (the father becomes the mother) which implies a fact C (the cubs are raised till the adult age) which normally should have been produced by the fact B ( the mother brings up the cubs) ? The scientist process tryes to answer these questions. You cannot prevent it...

You can prefer, of course, a contemplative approach: waouw ! A male lion is able to replace a female lion and... Nothing else ! You just admire this fact.

@Rishi and I note the fact. At first we admired it ("Contemplative approach") and then, very quickly, the attempt to give an explanation became compelling. Yes, we try to explain this fact by our modest means... Yes, we try to understand a little bit, without too anthropomorphism, by comparing with another similar examples (tiger T-25) and what else ? We always admire this fact and we don't pretend having discovered a definitive explanation.

I'm living far from the wild India fauna, but I just admire the wild life, and in front of my screen, I'm amazed by some accounts like these ones. That's all ! A small attempt to stay up-to-date with what's happening within this wild life I admire. And after...
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Incorrect contents. Ignore post...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1148081061950518&id=100002459052779



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The ^above video got pretty famous among people who follow happenings at Greater-Gir, but at the same time, there was a claim of it being shot somewhere in Africa. Some said there were two incidents & people were mistaking one for the other.

I shared it nonetheless, because the lions look pretty Asiatic-y (in the dark). The manes looked alright & i saw belly-folds...

Turns out it indeed took place while a night-drive in Lower Sabie. The lions are much more evidently African in this Extended video.
So... Appologies, i guess.

Here's a real video of two males post-fight. One had its face almost bitten off.



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@Rishi

The fact that I did not mention the case of the T25 tiger and his remarks about the social structure does not mean that I did not appreciate his comments. His explanations are conducted with balance, in order to enrich the subject. Despite all our wisdom, rationality and understanding of the lion theme, if a specimen seeks to survive, adapt and find ways to do so from a new / unique point of view, which for some is hard to perceive, the explanatory paths do not they can only but must navigate new roads. Bedhia wrote on a blank page.  reminds of the Batéké Plateau resident lion that survives in a forested environment, also wrote on a blank page. So, as we both know, understanding the whys of these unique behaviors requires years and years of studying, a lot of intuition, and open-mindedness for new viewpoints. Like
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(05-19-2018, 02:08 PM)Rishi Wrote: The ^above video got pretty famous among people who follow happenings at Greater-Gir, but at the same time, there was a claim of it being shot somewhere in Africa. Some said there were two incidents & people were mistaking one for the other.

I shared it nonetheless, because the lions look pretty Asiatic-y (in the dark). The manes looked alright & i saw belly-folds...

Turns out it indeed took place while a night-drive in Lower Sabie. The lions are much more evidently African in this Extended video.
So... Appologies, i guess.

Here's a real video of two males post-fight. One had its face almost bitten off.



Hi Rishi, the video above is of African lions fighting. it was shot with the Crocodile Bridge in Krüger.
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In the lazy evening sun...

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Unlike tigers, the Asiatic lion don't have stripes (obviously), making camera-trapped counting inconvenient. But they're much easier to find & more importantly, observe...

Thus their census consists of them being visually noted & identified by the trackers assigned to a particular pride/beat.
Distinguishing features like scars & other identification marks are taken down in data-sheets like this...

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How is this guy even alive!..

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Massive male!
His size can really be felt in the video...



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@Rishi :

About #443: Not only he is alive, but also he is mating !

This is perhaps the most spectacular flayed/skinned lion photo I have seen here. Apparently nothing vital has been "snatched". Thus, this deep wound will be healed up. With perhaps " a small pit" on the face.

I am truly astonished, poor guy... But the lions are undoubtedly blasted badass/hard-ass, I don't know how to say that... To have a hard life but to never give up. Incredible vital force...
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(05-24-2018, 10:00 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Rishi :

About #443: Not only he is alive, but also he is mating !

This is perhaps the most spectacular flayed/skinned lion photo I have seen here. Apparently nothing vital has been "snatched". Thus, this deep wound will be healed up. With perhaps " a small pit" on the face.

I have truly astonished, poor guy... But the lions are undoubtedly blasted badass/hard-ass, I don't know how to say that... To have a hard life but to never give up. Incredible vital force...

Is there another pic of this badass lion after this happened? how did he heal? How recent was this? .... AND what did the other boy look like?
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(05-24-2018, 10:00 AM)Spalea Wrote: About #443: Not only he is alive, but also he is mating !

This is perhaps the most spectacular flayed/skinned lion photo I have seen here. Apparently nothing vital has been "snatched". Thus, this deep wound will be healed up. With perhaps " a small pit" on the face.

I have truly astonished, poor guy... But the lions are undoubtedly blasted badass/hard-ass, I don't know how to say that... To have a hard life but to never give up. Incredible vital force...

That hole isn't filling up. It's the nasal cavity... The opponent's claw had ripped off the covering bone. Also, i don't see his right eye!

(05-24-2018, 03:11 PM)jordi6927 Wrote: Is there another pic of this badass lion after this happened? how did he heal? How recent was this? .... AND what did the other boy look like?

Sorry man. The photo was taken on 19th February, 2018. No info other than that, yet. 

If he survives, which he probably should, we'll see his photos again. Shouldn't be hard to recognise... I'll let you know if i get any updates.  Like
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(05-24-2018, 05:48 AM)Rishi Wrote: Massive male!
His size can really be felt in the video...




Was this big boy destroyed for killing the Maldhari?
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@Rishi :

About #447: I cannot believe he can live without both a nasal cavity and an eye. Yes I was naive this morning by seeing him mating... But I am astounded.
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