Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences

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(12-27-2023, 02:06 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Hello 

" Even if the head wasn't turned around it wouldn't make any big difference. There are many male leopards who have thicker necks, especially thicker on dorsal area (top region between back of the head and shoulders.) Even the jaguar in the above post doesn't have much thickness in dorsal part of the neck to  leopards . "

All felines have a very powerful neck. It's easy to understand why, after having killed a prey they often have to carry ou drag it... Especially leopards because interactions they could have with lions and  hyenas in Africa,  tigers in India, they need to carry their prey upto a tree in order to eat it quietly. Even so you cannot say that a jaguar has a thin neck.

I don't know if you have seen these posts:
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-compari...#pid140930
at #357 and #358
From PCKTS in the #358: " So that being said, these Jags show a consistent girth advantage to the Leopard, the only category of girth the Leopard wins is the neck but we know the dewlap isn’t muscle and that number generally is inflated if we’re comparing actual muscle mass. "

As you can read "dewlaps isn't muscle" and as concerns the photos you showed dewlaps were particularly big.

On top of that, the Leopard that was being outmatched was a taxidermy, it wasn't even a live specimen so the numbers were exaggerated. 

There's nothing to even debate, Jaguars have the largest skull to body ratio, with a massive head comes massive neck muscles to support that head. 

@Hello cherry picking images in flattering positions doesn't mean much, we see this all the time with when people try and exaggerate or downgrade certain cats.
Just to give you an idea, that Leopard that he's showing is only a 56kg Leopard.

"The second male, M25, was initially captured on the 2/6/05 and a VHF radio-collar placed on him. We recaptured him on the 5/7/05 and the VHF collar was exchanged for a GPS collar.  Judging from tooth wear, he is older than M26 (estimated between four and six years), although he only weighed one kilogram more.  We have downloaded 134 locations (Figure 1) from the collar and he is using a home range of approximately 57km2 (Figure 2).  This area is predominantly made up of the mountainous regions in the south and the west of the park, though he has crossed out of the Conservancy on at least one occasion into a neighbouring Zulu community."

Do we really think this is a "Skinny neck?"

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With regards to actual neck girth measurements,

The average Neck Girth for Pantanal Females was 21.44'' and Males 24.93''
with the largest males neck girth at 27''

for Comparison you have a Gir male Leopard that weighed 72kgs and had a Neck girth of 21.2''
Zimbabwe male "M1" at 62kgs with a neck girth of 21.6''
Another M1 Male at 63kgs with a neck girth of 18.8''
64kg Male from Golestan, Iran with a neck girth of 21.2''

As you can see, similar weights and neck ranges but the difference being female jaguars don't benefit from the exaggeration of the neck dewlap.

And here is a perfect example of that dewlap

This is the same male, the legendary Vin Diesel Male 

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It's pretty easy to notice the difference when the dewlap is hidden compared to the exaggeration when it's not. Reply