ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - C - THE JAGUAR (Panthera onca)

[lionjaguar]

(10-12-2019, 04:13 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 02:49 AM)lionjaguar Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 02:33 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 02:09 AM)lionjaguar Wrote: I really don't know if jaguars are extremely aggressive. Pantanal probably has dense jaguar population, and that's probably why jaguars are territorial then. I heard it from other guide that jaguars are not aggressive compared to how Mapogo lions are killing others for territory. It would be different if prey is low in their habitats. I have never heard male jaguars are killing rival male's cubs. Is there any source to prove it?

You're asking 2 different questions...
Are they as aggressive as one of the most infamous lion coalitions in modern history?
No, probably not

Are they extremely aggressive to one another?
Yes, absolutely and I can give you example after example of them doing so. 
Again, the pantanal isn't your normal open plains setting, you cannot view them easily, floods come and wash away everything, in fact, most of the terrain may look like there is tall grass with dry land beneath it but really it's just water everywhere. You drive past in the boat and all the tall grass which you thought was land just rocks with the wakes of the water, it's very cool to see.
So that being said, you dont have a chance to view what happens to these cats for most of the year.
But there is a reason why the Pantanal has a revolving door of dominate males which never stick around for long.

Also, caiman in los llanos are a smaller sub species and they arent the density like they are in the Panatanl.
Hunting is much more prevalent in los llanos as well. No Jaguar territory on earth is going to be a more prime setting than the Panatanl, but obviously los llanos is close since they have very large cats as well.

Lastly, which guides are you speaking with?
I may know some

I am talking about jaguars from 100 years ago too. Jaguars in Pantanal are probably the biggest jaguars. How about if we are comparing to jaguars of Los Llanos 100 years ago. There are not much size difference between the yacare caiman and spectacled caiman. It won't affect body size of predators consuming them.
I read fb post from guide name Paulo Barreiros.

I'm not sure about 100 years ago, I can only speak on the last 30-50

Paulo is a good friend of mine, he was my tour guide. I can guarantee he knows good and well how aggressive Jaguars are and will be happy to let you know as well.
Just ask him about Marley one day, Paulo is the one who's filmed and seen Marley fight numerous times including the one where marley and another monster male roll down the hill fighting then Marley runs for his life into the water to escape.
Also, Paulo will almost guarantee that no Jaguar is as large as the Pantanal Jags as well.

Do you know Paulo? How much did you spend on your trip to Pantanal? He is just posting many photos to impress everyone to visit Pantanal, then he just change as personal email or message when it is about tour cost. One problem with his statement is that he is probably making money on tourism. He is probably overrating Pantanal jaguars. There are plenty jaguars form Los Llanos above 100 kg. Paper written by Rafael Hoogesteijn is proving that Los Llanos jaguars might have been biggest jaguars along with Pantanal jaguars. Other measurement taken by Schaller was not big compared to the Los Llanos jaguars.

The jaguar is one of the most overrated big cats along with lion where people used to believe it as the king of the beast. I remember reading someone from Norway in wildfact wrote lions will have tough time when they coexist with jaguars something in other thread If you read some of jaguar books. You can see authors are over parsing jaguars more than other two larger and stronger cats. Example: Jaguar has the largest brain of all living cats and the most intelligent. It is unable to train jaguar in circus since they are the most destructive of all cats or something. It is also one of the least studied big cats. It's very difficult for me to trust jaguars.

Who is Marley and can you post this fighting video? Post Marley's photos

Quote:Marley fight numerous times including the one where marley and another monster male roll down the hill fighting then Marley runs for his life into the water to escape.

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