Which are stronger pound for pound Herbivores or Carnivores?

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(12-26-2018, 06:42 PM)Shadow Wrote: If getting real here, then there is no point to argue about irrelevant issues. Tigers, lions and bears all hunt big bovines, like moose, buffalo etc. So they have to be strong able to do that. They have to be fast able to do that. If any of these animals would be weak, they simply wouldn´t be able to hunt anything big. So all of these animals are built for strength and also in speed to some level. If not, they would be hunting smaller and slower animals.

What comes to speed, there are no big differences, bears can run also up to 60 km/h, about 37-38 mph, so quite comparable with tiger. Lion too isn´t so far away. There are cases, where bears have run after horses and able to maintain almost same speed as a horse with rider in full speed. Bear can maintain quite high speed for some time, so it has better stamina, than big cats though.

What comes to big cats, cheetah is maybe only one, which can be considered as pursuit hunter. Able to run about 400 meters before it has to give up. Other big cats like tigers, lions, leopards etc. usually have short chases like 20-40 meters.... if really motivated like lion after hyena up to 100 meters. But if comparing to wolves and wild dogs able to run after prey for kilometers... only cheetah is in some way comparable, other big cats are robust animals and not long distance runners. They need that ambush/surprise advantage to be able to hunt successfully. 

No-one here has solid proof which one is stronger, bear, lion or tiger, so that is pointless to argue about that nonsense all the time if nothing concrete and solid to put on table. I have never heard about any test, which would have done to all of these animals, which would have been comparable. That is the reason why debates about these things are mostly debates about opinions and hopes, not debates based on undeniable facts.

It would be far more interesting (IMO) to see real cases and what information can be found from those than debating about only opinions. This thread is about carnivores and herbivores and now debate is going to sidetrack and fast. Aren´t here enough threads for tigers and bears already or what is the reason to bring that issue everywhere? Especially when no new information, just old information all over again.

Give some real cases to look, there are bulls, gaurs, water buffalos, leopards etc. There is life outside bears and tigers too

You're right! Grizzly bears are capable of reaching 30-40mph. 
Also I'm under impression of them running long distances like wolves and wild dogs. Because of their stamina. 

Actually lions are said to be pursuit predators. But maybe you're right, they can't run as long as cheetahs. 

I'm studying about this subject actually. Strengths of bears and bigcats, I'm almost got enough data. But I need info like how much percentage of slow twitch (type 1) muscle fibers are present in Brown bears as compared to lions and tigers,etc... To complete it. Oh believe me, my data and argument is often undeniable. 

Also, I'm not the one who pulled "bear Vs tiger" here. 
Bovines like Gaurs and bisons are often stronger than Brown bears at parity... Reply