Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions

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(08-25-2022, 10:10 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(08-25-2022, 07:59 PM)Khan85 Wrote: More information about the 272 kg Kenyan Lion

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Not only that, Koch himself estimated him at a 6 body condition 

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Wild lions don't possess fat unless obtaining easy prey. 

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And of course Waveriders is the one who actually posted skeletons that he saw in person.

And it was either Yamguchi or Christansen who also saw the skeletons and mentioned the same thing as well.
So once again, he was a prolific cattle killer, also this idea that because he attacked a human automatically means he was hunger is nonsense.
Big cats attack humans all the time, that doesn't mean they must be starving to do so. Is it a factor, sure but so is territory or just being in a bad mood or anything else that runs through their head before they attack. 


Next is the fact that you tried to mention private reserves as being good examples of pure wild living.
You specifically mentioned Phinda.

Phinda literally killed off 3 of their lions to make room for two others they had donated to them. 

They also offer "vet for a day" programs. 

Peter Rettig
"That happens everywhere in South Africa everyday for decades! There is no Wildlife in South Africa outside of the Kruger NP and Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park, all the rest ... praised by "experts" as super Conservation success (esp. by the Hunting Industry) ... is fenced Game Reserves and Game Ranches. All these fenced areas are way too small to let nature take its course, animal populations are being managed ... speak selling/buying, culling and hunting. Phinda has to manage Lion numbers and gene pool, they always did. What do you think how many Lions have been sold, shot and hunted in Tembe or Addo?"

These reserves don't even have the means to properly sustain a healthy wild lion population, they bring in prey animals, supply artificial watering holes, sell tourist attractions like trophy hunts or fake vet experiences, bait trails to keep the lions close and so on.
This same claim was made about  Karongwe Game Reserve a while back and of course the same thing applied there and does to almost all of these other "private reserves." It's no different than what you see at Tiger Canyons. Trying to call these cats wild for the sake of the dollar is a joke.

Yes I mentioned myself, that he had given him a 6. yet he also described the lion as being nothing like a captive animal, just a very big lion. Wild east African Lions especially just past their prime can have extra fat. I have seen that on several males 

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(This is a dominant male past his prime, that hunted challenging prey yet he still had fat. Based on the picture chart above he is at best a 5.)
Regardless of attacking tourists because of being hungry or not, this lion was empty…
Wild 


On private reserves: no one said they are pure wild lions, I said the lions there live a natural life, they are not spoon fed, they hunt and kill for themselves, and will fight over territory and compeate with other carnivores. Ofc when humans change and move animals to keep the gene pool clean it’s not "perfect wild Lions" or a natural balance lol no one has said that. but the animals who get’s taken into these "reserves" are wild animals, and they continue to provide for themselves while being at these reserves. So their weights wouldn’t change. 
Tiger canyon is not the same, he interracts with his tigers, I have seen a drugged blessbuck charge a tiger, one tiger biting in the throat of an already tiger stiff as a board, so that carcass was likely placed out into another tigers territory for mr Varty to get a cool shot to sell, the animals are hybrid tigers from ZOO’s Reply