Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions

[SpinoRex]

(03-04-2022, 09:56 PM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(03-04-2022, 03:13 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: 1) It was a information by a lodge not by the reserve itself (generally reliable of course but not directly from them) and the same thing happened in other scientific records. They were collared by the Research project with Almero. Recently there was a male collared who came from Namibia (Forgot his name) and he was even bigger than ximpoko. The reserve and the scintists there were contacted so there is no debate. 

2) The male from Etosha was said to have up to 20 kg of meat. Which means the number of 240 kg empty for the non-prime lion was more or less a minimum. I read the male and there was no info about the measurement method but in etosha they measure over curves. Note the 244 kg male was 4-5 years old. Same goes for the lion from the Ndutu region with a weight of 237 kg at just c.4 years.

3) I send you the informations on the homob male coalition. They were all weighed by the director himself back in 1993

1) There is debate on this as the figures are not officially published and accepted by anyone in the scientific community (just be a few of us and partially as is based in emails from third persons), by the way you did not answered my question, why they don't publish the figures? Only emails and personal communications at some point are not enough. We can use them for backup (which is what we normally do here) but certainly a published document is more usefull. It is weird that they deleted the post about the weight of one of those lions.

2) That lion was in his prime, territorial, and the figure of 240 kg is by no chance a minimum, is a maximum and very extreme, after all the sample of all the males in that area weighed 190 kg on average and unadjusted. Dr Hu Berry provided measurements and a picture and he probably measured in straight line as the shoulder height suggest (he shows both straight and in curves). So proably was straight line and remember that Dr Hu Berry worked with lions long before the people from Hobatere started measuring lions, so they measurement methods are much more different (those from Hobatere are a mess). The lion of 244 kg from Hobatere include stomach content; the lion of 23
5 kg (not 237 kg) was partially estimate (remember that the scale was bottomed) and includes stomach content which suggest that could weight as low as 200 kg (it seems that you forgot that conversation) so they ages are irrelevant.

3) I am going to search it. It weird that since 1993 we don't have a paper about them.

1) They dont need to be officially published if they were confirmed by the scientist in a personal communication already and the reserve. Though if a scientist will be aware of those datas of course he will include it if they get the same respond in a personal communication. (As i know yamaguchi was already informed about this male and he was interested). The other reason is because they wont publish a study just because they weighed a lion. They were weighed during a collaring of the younger male and thats it. Unless they are part of a study i dont think they will publsihed. 

2) The lion was 5-6 years old and as already mentioned lions reach their best weight at around 8-10 most of the time. The other fact is that the lion was dimensionally not impressive but his chest girth was due to his weight. Volkel for instant was longer and had a thicker chest then this male as well as the fact that one male lion of th ehomob coalition reached nearly the same weight.

Also Guate read what i wrote! Who would be so delusional to claim that this isnt a max weight (or close to it)? I was saying as Huberry said the male had UP TO 20 kg in his stomach i said the estimate of 240 kg empty is rather a minimum but the real height wont be any higher than that unless a triffle kgs. Yes i know they include stoamch content but a male of 4.5 at 244 kg is really HUGE. Beside the detailed mail from Ingela Jansson i found weights of 230 kg and 235 kg. Though the exact weight was 250 kg with - the scale indicating 237 kg. This info suggests a bed will weigh c.13 kg, which i think will be useful in the future.

About the male from Ingela one may look at the pictures. He had stomach content but was by no means full. His stomach content must range either from 15-20 kg, which means the weight of c.220 kg empty at c.4 years is accurate.


3) Its basic. The males were just translocated to a other National Park to increase the population size. Had nothing to do with research. Here the answer:

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