Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions

[Pckts]

(02-03-2022, 12:00 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 11:29 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 11:02 PM)SpinoRex Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 10:17 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 10:10 PM)SpinoRex Wrote: Uptade

Im now in a long conversation with the ecologist of Madikwe GR. Thankfully he is a really nice guy and is also very interested about lion datas. We even shared datas together about Kruger lions. He is at the moment in contact with the reserve management and the head guide of the lodges. I will publish it when new informations are available.

Guides from lodges aren’t researchers so take everything they say in regards to capture weights with a grain of salt.

Also i said im in contact with the ecologist. He said to me "I will check with William Knight (Head guide) where he obtained his information".

You misunderstood my post.

Studying ecology has nothing to do with the capture, treatment and weight of wild animals. You need to speak with a zoologist/biologist who's involved in the actual capture, measurements and weighing. 
And unless William Knight provides the names allegedly responsible and then you specifically speak with them, then all claims should not be used as fact. Like we've seen numerous times, it only gets you in trouble when using 2nd hand sources.

Ecologists, biologists or zoologists actually can do the same things. The differences are marginal. Timbavati or Madikwe dont have zooligists as the ecologist take that role. I am wondering what is considered unreliable. A head guide asking the Reserve management itself is the most accurate way beside the fact to ask someone who was actively involved.

As i said he will check the source to be sure. If he says the same then there shouldnt be any problem.

No, they don't and an Ecologist would have no business in the capture and measurements of a Big cat. Any reserve that employs someone involved in the capture and measurements of a Big cat will have a biologist/zoologist and vet on site. Timbavati being a private reserve may do things differently but that'd be very irresponsible since an ecologist has no proper training in that field. 

A head guide asking reserve management could mean anything. First you're taking a guides word for it, then you're accepting the idea that who they spoke with was involved in the capture of said animal yet you're being provided no proof of that person being in the know or providing any verifiable information. Like I've stated, we have numerous examples of people using guides or photographers who spoke with guides as proof of an animal being weighed then every time it turns out to be wrong. Reply