Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars

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(09-17-2019, 09:20 PM)Pckts Wrote:

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as stated in post #45, this guy was not 330lbs but he was shot by Ken Vaughn and his score was 20 4/16'' with an estimated weight from Almeida of at least 130kg empty. 

Yes you are correct about that jaguar being the one taken by Ken Vaughn. I had incorrectly assumed it was the one taken by Dave Lauzen as there is a bit of discrepancy in the skull measurements provided. The skull of the huge male taken by Ken Vaughn was measured by Tony Almeida at 20 4/16" using the Boone and Crockett method where the skull length is measured without the mandible. While the same skull measured using the SCI method with mandible attached was 20 6/16" - this "official" record measurement is what Almeida provided on the intro page of his 1976 book. This led me to incorrectly conclude the jaguar was the one taken by Dave Lauzen whose skull Almeida measured at 20 6/16" as listed in the table at the end of his 1990 book. However, it should be noted the skull of Lauzen's jaguar was measured before it was boiled and dried (see pg 239 of his 1990 book) and therefore its true measurements would be smaller.

The main point, however is that the weights of a lot of the big jaguars taken by Almeida were clearly being exaggerated, despite the fact they are very clearly stated in his book.

Also, Tony Almeida did not estimate Ken Vaughn's jaguar at "at least" 130kg as you are for some reason claiming (and thus implying it would've weighed 130kg or more). He said it may have weighed close to 130kg, which means the opposite (ie 130kg would've been the upper estimate not the lower end). He actually states in his 1976 that this enormous jaguar with the record skull probably weighed 5-10kg more than his heaviest recorded at 119kg (therefore around 124-129kg with empty stomach). On page 131 of his 1976 book and on page 121 of his 1990 book he states this jaguar must have weighed "close to 130kg".

From Almeida's 1976 book, Jaguar Hunting in the Matto Grasso.

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Quote:I'm not the biggest fan of using averages, I know they are much higher today than when Almeida made his hunts.

He never caught any Jaguars over 119kg except for a few he estimated to be around 130kg but now a days with the new protections to both Jaguars and Caiman we've seen many Jaguars over 130kg and up to 148kg with Adriano being possibly larger but that remains to be confirmed and since a few Jags there are even larger than Adriano who knows for sure

Tony Almeida gave an estimate of "close to 130kg" for only one jaguar he hunted, which he states was the biggest out of nearly 50 adult males from the Pantanal. So how are you claiming that there were a few he estimated around 130kg?

Quote:Shaka 132kg
Scare 115kg
Ounce 130kg
Brutus 130kg *most likely*
Adriano 130kg
148kg record jag empty

The 148kg jaguar was not weighed with an empty stomach. I don't know why you keep making these claims. Reply