There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
--- Peter Broekhuijsen ---

  • 1 Vote(s) - 4 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards

United States Pckts Offline
Bigcat Enthusiast
******

(09-29-2020, 01:15 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
Quote:The 115kg cat was revised to be 95kg and was indeed the same cat, allegedly.
And which peer reviewed paper was it claimed in?
I know it was claimed but dismissed in the Persian Study.

There was a vet who commented on the change from 115kg to 95kg but I don't know where it is now but I'm sure @Luipaard has it.

The veterinarian never said anything about a change. He simply spoke of a huge 100kg male:


*This image is copyright of its original author


The Facebook page of Persian leopard conservation speaks of a 95kg. It was a big male no matter which weight is the accurate one.

Quote:Adding on to this, here is a large 240cm or 7'8'' Persian said to be at least 70kg

240 cm long .. this magnificent chap when we first captured him in Sep 2014 to collar ..
My Journey with Persian Leopardsat least 70 kg
My Journey with Persian LeopardsTail and body

*This image is copyright of its original author

Is it possible that this is Borna/M3? After he has a total length of 241cm.


*This image is copyright of its original author


Quote:None higher than the 18.75 score on the list posted outside of the Persian/Congo Basin Skulls.

Which also wouldn't crack the top 10.

What do you mean? The one from Tanzania has a 19" skull? The one from Chad scores better too?

Quote:We do have a weight for this guy 

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author


"The score ended up to be 18 4/16(dry), the body was not that long(7.2 feet), he weighed 185 pounds. Length and weight are irrelevant, because if he had a full stomach, he would have weighed over 200 pounds. Something very interesting I thought, was that his tail had a circumference at the base of 10 inches."

https://www.kalahari-trophy-hunting.com/...ws-11.html

So the 92kg Kenyan Leopard seems reasonable as well.

There's another huge, possible +100kg Namibian leopard in case you haven't seen this yet:

"got these pics from a friend.This Tom was shot last Monday. 
A lucky snapshot on the way to the bait. 
The scale showed only maximum 100 kg. 
Big like a lioness. 
They guessed him at 120 kg and minimum 15 years. 
What a monster from the Komas Highlands. 
Waidmannsheil to this outstanding cat."


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author

This is apparently its 'verified' weight:

"Some news : official weight 108 KG (the information will be made public there) During farm control at 150 m a lucky shot with the .300 Win Mag and a bullet splinter in the spine,one roar and than immediately dead."

https://www.africahunting.com/threads/namibia-a-new-leopard-record.58879/

120kg is impossible but 108kg could be plausible if we consider stomach content. Another huge specimen, no matter how much he weighed.
Chad?
The largest skull score on this list is 18.75'' with no data available

*This image is copyright of its original author

Quote:The veterinarian never said anything about a change. He simply spoke of a huge 100kg male:
There was also another mention of 95 kg as well, but this is even another discrepancy in it's alleged weight. 

Quote:Is it possible that this is Borna/M3? After he has a total length of 241cm.
Possible but not confirmed and a 1 cm difference.
Quote:What do you mean? The one from Tanzania has a 19" skull? The one from Chad scores better too?
Which Chad or Tanzania Scores are you talking about?

Top 20 Below:
1. 04/1997 Botswana, Okavango Rann Safaris "Africa" R 19 11/16"
2. 11/2001 R.S.A., Kalahari Select Safaris / Jan du Plessis R 19 10/16"
3. 08/2014 Tanzania, Masailand Stone Hunting Safaris / Jason Stone R 19 8/16"

4. 09/1993 Tanzania, Ibanda John Moller / Tanzania Big Game Safaris R 19 2/16"

5.  07/2011 Tanzania, Masailand Stone Hunting Safaris / Jason Stone R 19"

6.  04/2009 Namibia, Windhoek African Twilight Safaris R 18 15/16"

7. 09/1986 Tanzania, Rungwa Richard Trappe / Bushmen Safaris R 18 14/16"
8. 04/2010 R.S.A., Mabula Mabula Pro Safaris / David H 18 14/16"
9. 07/2015 Zimbabwe, Mateke Hills Somerby Safaris / Charles Humphries R 18 14/16"
10. 10/1982 R.S.A. Fred Rademeyer R 18 10/16"

11. 01/1963 Tanzania, central John Lawrence R 18 8/16"

12. 09/2008 Tanzania, Lukwati Danny McCallum / Graham Jones R 18 5/16"

13. 07/2018 Namibia, Otavi Stone Hunting Safaris / Jason Stone R 18 5/16"

14. 09/1975 Zambia, Luangwa Valley Angus MacLagan R 18 4/16"

15. 08/1983 Tanzania, Masailand George Angelides R 18 4/16"

16. 08/1984 Tanzania, Mto Wa Mbu Franz J. Wengert R 18 4/16"

17. 08 Namibia, Khomas Sumsare / Gerard Erasmus R 18 4/16"
18. 01/1969 Kenya, Aberdares John Russell R 18 2/16"  
19. 05/2007 Namibia, Khomas Sumsare / Gerard Erasmus R 18 2/16"
20. 05/2014 R.S.A., Limpopo Adventures Africa / Dean Robinson R 18 2/16"



Quote:"got these pics from a friend.This Tom was shot last Monday. 
A lucky snapshot on the way to the bait. 
The scale showed only maximum 100 kg. 
Big like a lioness. 
They guessed him at 120 kg and minimum 15 years. 
What a monster from the Komas Highlands. 
Waidmannsheil to this outstanding cat."
Nice sized Leopard but I'd wager the scale was off and it's mentioned by a few 

"@ndumo HUNTING SAFARIS

Any info on this cat?


Beautiful specimen. I dont want to be a spanner in the cog, but I think their estimation is a bit off. Just my honest opinion."


"No matter the weight, nice looking cat and congrats to the hunter!"



"Marius, I do not believe that weight also. Although a leopard can eat 20kg of meat easy, or 30% of body mass that would have put him at around 90kg with an completely empty stomach to reach 120kg. TAn completey empty stomach would be rare in the region, especially if he was coming to the bait regularly. They eat on average 3.5 to 4kg of meat per day. So with a normal stomach, he should have around that amount in his belly. If he has just found the bait, or visited it infrequently, he may have gorged himself and eaten more. He does look full and very healthy so I would guess max 90kg.

I have hunted a lot of cats, and the heaviest was 83kg, with a normal or should I say not completely stuffed stomach. The cat in photo looks dehydrated, (look at the eye balls). Who conducted the hunt? Was it maybe chased by dogs illegally?"



"Great leopard and a old specimen no doubt.....120-130KG not a chance....



My observations just from the pictures....I was not there but I have hunted more than my fair share of leopards....two of which went over 200 lbs, one of 220 lbs(100 kg) and another 216 lbs(97 kg), both super cats....



The shot placement is very high on the shoulder.....so the cat was wounded.....follow up took a long time....cat was eventually found....dead, but the result is the bloated appearance of the leopard(making it look bigger than what it is/was), the sunken eyes and dull color is a dead giveaway for that.....no shot and recovered cat has dull sunken eyes......may well have been chased for a long time by hounds but that is not my first assessment....


Great leopard and yes very old and a once in a lifetime cat, but this is not a 200 lb plus leopard by a long margin....."


"No doubt a once in a lifetime trophy.



I just comment on what I see in the pictures, this would never be a killing shot on such a large and old leopard....



There is no way this leopard weights 264 lbs....


My opinion, having shot 7 leopards in my first 2 years as an apprentice and many more since...."


Farmers scales need to be taken with a grain of salt.....
But still a large Leopard no doubt.
This is also proving my point that Savannah Cats can be as large as anywhere else, prey density is 2nd to none in E. Africa and they take full advantage of it.
Reply




Messages In This Thread
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 09-29-2020, 09:16 PM



Users browsing this thread:
3 Guest(s)

About Us
Go Social     Subscribe  

Welcome to WILDFACT forum, a website that focuses on sharing the joy that wildlife has on offer. We welcome all wildlife lovers to join us in sharing that joy. As a member you can share your research, knowledge and experience on animals with the community.
wildfact.com is intended to serve as an online resource for wildlife lovers of all skill levels from beginners to professionals and from all fields that belong to wildlife anyhow. Our focus area is wild animals from all over world. Content generated here will help showcase the work of wildlife experts and lovers to the world. We believe by the help of your informative article and content we will succeed to educate the world, how these beautiful animals are important to survival of all man kind.
Many thanks for visiting wildfact.com. We hope you will keep visiting wildfact regularly and will refer other members who have passion for wildlife.

Forum software by © MyBB