Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers

[Pckts]

(10-11-2022, 12:52 PM)Roflcopters Wrote:

(10-11-2022, 12:10 PM)abhisingh7 Wrote:

(10-11-2022, 02:47 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: @Pckts 

Quote:"bandwagon"

You've been a tadoba fan boy for years, trying to discredit everyone presenting actual facts.

how am i a fanboy when all i do is share the lives of Tadoba tigers and i have done it for over a decade purely out of passion. for years i believed they were mediocre size wise. if i was such a fanboy, i’d be comparing them to the likes of Terai and Kaziranga males but i have no such history. i’m just very realistic when i follow the lives of tigers in general. i see them for who they are. you believe in science fiction, most of your logic is flawed and lately in the internet world. you have become a meme. such a male Karen, it’s beyond cringe. 

Quote:And in regards to Vijay leaving because of you, here you go.

totally irrelevant discussion, somehow you turned this into Roflcopters vs Vijay when i haven’t even insulted the dude or acknowledged the dude’s existence. lastly, i don’t care if anyone gets in their feelings. i say things how it is. if someone doesn’t like it. it’s too damn bad. Alpha male rule #1 - don’t get in your feelings   

I asked you to present proof of Kanha tiger weights without mentioning a bunch of statements that we all have seen over the years, almost repetitively. where is the concrete proof? word of mouth isn’t enough and holds no credibility in the real world. these people you see as messiah aren’t exempt from this grilling. at the end of the day, everyone wants a disclosure. people here are contributing on this topic for a reason. perhaps you should read the topic title before turning this into a toxic debate. most people here are only here for transparency and legitimacy of weights and measurements. you were summoned to provide proof but instead, you would much rather run around and get all aggressive and emotional. 


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Quote:Thats just a myth. Most of the tigers you see in Mukki zone are descendants of Munna. Munna used to be average tiger, not known for his size. If you read @Pckts screenshot previous page, out of 9 tigers weighed in Kanha, only one crossed 225kg.

Munna was a very mediocre sized tiger at best, overhyped by Minh ha aka Asianbuffalo. he used to claim 350-400kg for Munna. in reality, Munna was just your average size male from Kanha. nothing special. 

bro planet documentary on kanha tigers see from 19:30 to 20:00 , the avg wt is 230kgs mentioned here .    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_efdMOd0io&t=30s

I honestly wouldn’t doubt that, most dominant males in their prime ages should be able to hit that. my whole argument is that there are many more Wagdoh/Umarpani in both parks than what some people would like to think. this person is basically saying tadoba tigers are much smaller because he has weights of 3 males out of a total population of 115 (the actual number could be more or less) and in person he has seen one male to come to this final conclusion. the argument lacks all common sense, sample size alone is so tiny. it’s literally irrelevant. his only proof is what this guide said or what that guide said. all hot air. no real proof and somehow we’re supposed to believe in his fairytales. he also claims Kanha tigers should be bigger because of food abundance alone but in the grand scheme of things. it’s a combination of things. 

food : generally tigers with the biggest territories will have the best of everything at their disposal.

genes : very decisive factor, big frame generally will give a tiger huge advantage at max capacity.

dominance : the most dominant of males, if they are good hunters too will usually come off well seasoned every time of the year. KF, Wagdoh, Shiva and Umarpani were massive all year long from my memory. 

so again, size is individual based and can’t be generalized. 

to further my argument, there are mix of every tiger in Tadoba (Umred/Brahmapuri/Nagzira) are all so connected and it’s been proven that tigers have all moved around from these parks. it’s the same case with Kanha & Pench. Bajrang alone had a territory size far bigger than any Kanha male ever did and he was a large male in his prime. to claim that these tigers are small based on the smallest sample size is purely foolish and fanatical at best. some would even see it as bashing, it could be unintentional but it is something that’s being overlooked at and it needs to stop. 3 out of 115 is all the number he’s working with. just my two cents.

Quote:this person is basically saying tadoba tigers are much smaller because he has weights of 3 males out of a total population of 115 (the actual number could be more or less) and in person he has seen one male to come to this final conclusion.

Or the fact that this person has actually been to these places while you've never stepped foot there.  Seeing the Tigers was just a confirmation on what the actual parks showed whether it'd be habitat, temp, prey animals or terrain.
How about this person here, are they qualified?

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I mean they've only been all over India and seen huge males from all over. 

Quote:his only proof is what this guide said or what that guide said. all hot air. no real proof and somehow we’re supposed to believe in his fairytales. he also claims Kanha tigers should be bigger because of food abundance alone but in the grand scheme of things. it’s a combination of things. 

So they're fairytales while I'm posting actual conversations and between the two of us, you're the one who's had 0 experience in any of these places. 
And yes, it is a combination of things.
Cooler Temps: Kahna
More Rain: Kahna
Larger: Kanha
Prey Density: Kanha
Tiger Density: Kanha
Hill Terrain: Kanha 
Let's see what Brander has to say about it, I'm sure his qualifications aren't enough for you since you but for others who are less blinded by fanaticism I'm sure they'll be appreciated. 

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Next will be a Guides and Naturalists observations on the Pugmarks in Kanha being larger.

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Quote:to further my argument, there are mix of every tiger in Tadoba (Umred/Brahmapuri/Nagzira) are all so connected and it’s been proven that tigers have all moved around from these parks. it’s the same case with Kanha & Pench. Bajrang alone had a territory size far bigger than any Kanha male ever did and he was a large male in his prime. to claim that these tigers are small based on the smallest sample size is purely foolish and fanatical at best. some would even see it as bashing, it could be unintentional but it is something that’s being overlooked at and it needs to stop. 3 out of 115 is all the number he’s working with. just my two cents.

Connect is vague, the distance between these parks is massive. While some do travel between them, generally when a Tiger makes it these areas, they'll stay there and reproduce. These reproductions over time reap the benefits the park offers and will obtain larger sizes. 
Your claim about territory shows your lack of understanding about the sizes of these parks. Kanha is 1.5x's the size of Tadoba. The territories aren't apples to apples and one Tiger may "rule" a territory but it will travel between these areas constantly. It's nothing new for a Tiger to rule huge areas, Munna for instance ruled "  Due to immense pressure from Munna, whose dominance extended all the way from Digdola, Salghat, Siliyari, Bapsabehra, Link-7, Sijhora, Shravan Tal, Umarpani to Chuhri etc, " -Vijay 
All at one time.
Lastly is the eye test, this is for you since you haven't seen them in person and prefer to cherry pick images or videos. 
Watch any Tiger fight from Tadoba and tell me with an unbias eye that they compare to the ones from Kanha.
There's no chance. Always the males fighting eachother in Kanha have a much thicker frame.
This is the last of my responses to you on this, obviously there's not much more I need to add. Think what you want but the proof is all laid out. Reply