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The Cave Lion (Panthera spelaea and Panthera fossilis)

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The Cave Lion (Panthera spelaea and Panthera fossilis)

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10-27-2018, 09:35 AM ( This post was last modified: 10-27-2018, 09:42 AM by Wolverine )

(10-27-2018, 08:24 AM)tigerluver Wrote:
(10-27-2018, 03:38 AM)Wolverine Wrote: @tigerluver since many of us are not paleontologists and we don't follow all news what is the final opinion of the science: were actually cave lions really a "lions" (Panthera leo) or they were a diferent representatives of genus Panthera. Fossilis, spalea and Atrox? Was the American lion a "lion"?
In order to not get us in confusion it's gonna be great if you could answer shortly, like: "Yes, they were a lions!" or "No, they were not a lions!".

If not, to which current Pantherinae species they were more closely related - to lion, tiger or jaguar?


The cave lions (P. spelaea/fossilis) and the American lion (P. atrox) were not modern lions (P. leo). However, they are most closely related to the modern lion (P. leo). On the other hand, these species are most distant from the tiger (P. tigris) and a bit less distant, but still distant, from the jaguar (P. onca).

Interesting, thanks. So in this case probably the name of this thread is better to be changed otherwise many non-profesional readers could be confused that the word is about lions, while these were different animals. Same as once upon a time smilodon was called "saber-tooth tiger" but actually has nothing to do with the tigers.
Probably: "Pleystocene Pantherinae cats" or something like this.

So in genus Panthera are 2 clades:

1. tiger and irbis

2. lion, jaguar, leop, Panthera spelaea and Panthera atrox.

But if jaguar is bit more distant to those cats than modern lion, than inside clade 2 probably should be created sub-clade of "lion-like" Pantherinae cats: leo, spelaea and atrox. If lion is really bit closer to those cats than the jaguar than this create some headache, this a bit contradict the theory that spelaea and atrox were not lions. I'm not sure does the science allow to create termin: "lion-like" Pantherianae cats, "lion-like" mean they were a lions....in same time they didn't belong to specie Panthera leo….
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