The Great Apes

[The Panther]

(12-15-2019, 03:33 PM)johnny rex Wrote:

(12-15-2019, 03:20 PM)The Panther Wrote:

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(11-25-2019, 05:36 AM)The Panther Wrote:

(11-09-2019, 12:56 PM)johnny rex Wrote:

(11-08-2019, 03:02 PM)The Panther Wrote: Samson the gorilla. He's one of if not the heaviest gorilla on record, he weighed in at 652 lbs or 296 kg. He died at age 32 and lost a 146 lbs or about 66 kg before that.

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@Shadow @GuateGojira 
I wonder how the biggest eastern gorillas like Guhonda compare to him, because they're extremely large themselves. Although i do still think he was a good amount heavier, the real question is how much heavier? Because they do look similar in build, albeit less flabby compared to him.

This might be a good comparison 

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Guhonda. If the pic doesn't show up, then the link is here just in case, then zoom in once you're in.

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Here's another pic of Guhonda 

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So you can see a similar build despite how flabby Samson was. I do believe there could be only 46 kg (about 100 lbs) to 34 kg (75 lbs) difference between Samson and the biggest Eastern gorillas, with Guhonda probably being closer to the latter, because he does seem slightly bigger than the other really large males.

I'm not a big fan of estimations, but i do prefer estimations with comparisons.

Samson is a very obese captive Western silverback gorilla. I think Guhonda is a little bit heavier, because usually Eastern gorillas exceeded Western gorillas in body dimensions excluding weight. Although in general the Eastern gorillas are also heavier. I can't see the second last picture though.

@johnny rex
What are your thoughts on my second comparison with Guhonda and the 602 lbs M'bongo (the weight in the picture)? Even though 652 lbs Samson was similar in build to the largest Eastern gorillas (though a lot more flabby), M'bongo and the largest Eastern gorillas look a lot more close in weight.

Keep in mind, both the captive Eastern lowland gorillas M'bongo and Ngagi (his brother Ngagi was huge too. It was said Ngagi is muscular while M'bongo is a little bit flabbier) were younger than Samson and they already almost reaching Samson's weight despite younger than Samson. M'bongo and Ngagi also died at younger age compared to Samson. If they lived long enough, I think both of them will get much bigger than Samson. Yes, Samson's build is much closer to Eastern gorilla's build which is unusual for a Western gorilla as most Western gorillas are slimmer and gracile in build compared to Eastern gorillas.

Guhonda could be close to M'bongo's weight. If both have similar body dimensions including height, hip circumference, chest circumference, etc. Guhonda could be similar in size to M'bongo.

@johnny rex
I was just wondering what your thoughts were on my #378 estimations? Because you do seem like you know your stuff.

Not really, I just making guesstimations. If Guhonda's physical/skeletal frame is larger than Samson's, Guhonda could be in the 580-600+ lbs range. Have you seen the picture of Samson's skeleton? His skeleton is very robust. I'll post the picture if I find it.

Yeah, 580 lbs (263 kg) looks like a good place to start, but I started with over 570 lbs (259 kg) just to be safe and put 580+ in the high end. Over 600 lbs (272 kg) in the high end looks OK, because Guhonda seems remarkably similar to the over 600+lbs M'bongo in girth, which shocked me initially. If Guhonda was to be 580 to 600+lbs, then the other similar sized mountain gorillas should be about 550 to 570+lbs (250 to 259+kg). Reply