Dholes (Cuon alpinus)

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(01-17-2019, 02:12 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 01:43 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 01:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 12:43 AM)Shadow Wrote: One news clip from India. Btw here is also mentioned, that there are observations, that in areas, where dholes thrive, tiger numbers can drop. Actually quite interesting because I remember reading about same phenomena once.

I put link here if that video doesn´t open here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa9DyJcz97Q

I'd wager it's the other way around, Tiger numbers are high, Dholes numbers will drop and if there aren't many Tigers, Dholes can thrive.

You see it in many parks with large Tiger presence, in fact in Tadoba as the Tiger numbers have risen, their Dhole numbers have dropped.
You'll be hard pressed to see a Dhole in Taboba, Pench or Kanha, while you'll see a Tiger almost certainly if your there for a few days.
"As tigers instinctively kill dholes, the increase in tiger population in Tadoba perhaps has also been an additional reason contributing to the decline of Dhole population here."
https://svasararesorts.com/latest-at-svasara/blog/dholes-indian-wilddogs/


Hopefully we'll find out more on Dholes in the years to come...
Check this out
In a first, wildlife scientists have collared a dhole, the Indian wild dog, with a satellite transmitter to study the habits of the endangered species.

With less than 2,500 individuals surviving in the wild globally, the dhole is already extinct in about 10 Asian countries.

It took a team of scientists from the Wildlife Institute of India (WII) over 10 days to to track down a pack of 14 dholes in Bishanpura meadow in the Mukki range of the Kanha National Park. The team tranquilised an adult female, tested its health and fixed a tracking collar around its neck as the rest of pack cautiously observed from a distance.

“We don’t know a lot of aspects of their ecology, which makes conserving dholes far more difficult than tigers,” said Y.V. Jhala, senior scientist at WII.
Conservation ecologists believe the renewed efforts can help protect dholes
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/wildlife-scientists-satellite-collar-a-dhole/article24464757.ece

I know what I read, it takes some time to find it though, but when I find I put it here for everyone to see. I have read so much about tigers, that hard to remember everything :) Anyway case in latest dhole conversation isn´t about it (imo), that dholes would be some major problem for tigers. But more about it, that there are many different kind of sources telling that story, that time to time dholes can confront tigers and even make tiger back off for some reason or another. 

Bigger, more experienced pack of dholes and more hungry could be one reason to challenge even a tiger when meeting on some kill/carcass. There can be some point in numbers, where "balance" is giving advance to one and then another. It is interesting interaction to learn more. I actually just discussed shortly wih one person who told how he saw 2010 in Kanha national park how a pack of dholes chase away a tiger, which walked right in the middle of that pack. But he didn´t catch it on video, pity :/ But maybe something can be found when digging in more.

Even though tiger and dhole confrontations are quite marginal issue for both species, why not trying to find out now when it has been discussed :)

I have little doubt that a large pack could chase off a Tiger, especially if caught off guard.
I've seen every which cat be chased off by something that it probably could of killed if it were so inclined, there are no scripts and nothing goes the exact same way every time.

I was strictly speaking on the Dhole numbers correlating with Tiger numbers, that's all.

In regards to discussing Dhole and Tigers, we've been doing so for quite some time, even gathering most accounts and posting them here. 


Even this video that you posted shows you just what kind of Numbers a Dhole Pack would really need before they could even think of attacking a Tigress, let a lone a healthy male.

Sanjay Shukla
This one was of the most interesting interactions of tiger seen by me in Pench Tiger Reserve, Seoni. T-50 or "Langdi" had come out of the water hole and was resting in the shade of a nearby tree. I waited for almost two hours in the scorching heat, thinking that she would come again to cool her off in the water hole. In the meantime a large pack of 18 Dholes reached the water hole and soon they all were in the water. They came out within 5 mins but again after almost 15 mins they were in the water. As I had expected, the tigress rose and started walking towards the water hole. As soon as the Dholes saw her they all rushed out of the water. Now the forest was echoing with their shrieking yell. They all made a sort of ring around tigress keeping a safe distance and kept harassing her. The quality of video is not good but shows an interesting interaction.

Yes there are many discussions about these things, some seem to be endless. Well, it is not dangerous to look at situation time to time and see if there is something new or not. Dholes are interesting species and seems to deserve some attention too. I wouldn´t be surprised if some tigers have backed off sometimes, that is how nature works. Usually things go one way, but then again sometimes other way. Tigers are no robots and can be scared too, more surprising situation, more possible it is. Of course that doean´t mean, that tiger would suffer more than some "mental damages" Reply