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(03-10-2024, 08:57 PM)BA0701 Wrote: As for the breakaways leaving at the normal age, that comment proves my point, BYM was permitted to linger years longer than normal, whereas the Breakaway Males and the Birmingham Males with the white male left at what would be considered a normal time. My point was that the situation with BYM was in itself very strange, which we were all commenting on at the time.
Breakaways where not exactly under Ross males that closely, they rarely visit them, they pretty much left on their own, but keep returning to the pride even by last year.
White male and bros started to explore early, but still aswell keep returning to the pride and Ross males up until they made a move to north of Timbavati, which is not that much earlier then BYM moved off with Torchwood male (cant remember exact dates).
In both cases we started speculated that both parties might join Ross males, as both parties where occasionaly still with them and pride up to around 4.5 - 5 yrs of age.
I think problem is that, with Fabio being very passive in this act, Tyson had hard time ousting young males, especially when they grow in size, then he just gives up and "accepts" them.
I mean, we have photos of Fabio rubbing heads with both BYM and white male when those boys where already bigger then him, he looks to like young boys around hehe.
If i remember correctly, not long ago on video Tyson attacked current BYM, around the same age he did Osindile back in 2020.
Tyson is classic bully, when he sees he is stronger he will attack, but when males grow in size and strenght, he is like "i was joking, you can stay here, i actually dont mind" hehe, and then males just leave on their own for good when they feel ready.
For sure Fabio not supporting Tyson in ousting the young males is why they stayed. To the point, as you mentioned, that Tyson just kind of through up his paws. I recall Osindile coming back and sharing a meal with Tyson and the other young males, after he'd already begun hanging with TYM, and even after he joined TYM in pushing the white male and other bros back towards the pride. During that same period, when Osindile was in and out, I recall Tyson already beginning to rough up the white male a little, but unlike Osindile, the white male wasn't injured and was able to leave before it got that bad.
Ross Males are like the Odd Couple, they are total opposites in their behavior and temperament, yet they remain inseparable, as much as the S Avocas, except the S Avocas were much more alike in their temperament and behavior. I don't recall which male it was, but just a couple of months ago Ross Males shared a buffalo kill with another adult male, and Fabio appeared at ease and completely fine with it, while Tyson started a scuffle or two during the encounter. A perfect example of what we are discussing.