Lions of Timbavati

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(02-10-2022, 01:03 PM)Potato Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 11:25 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: But yea, there is a small chance that it was just coincidence.

It is not small chance as such "coincidence" happens quite often in the lion world. Tintswalos took over bassicly in same time Orpens passed away, same with succession of Mapozas from Trilogy. MOhawk Matshapiri wasn't even dead yet when Avocas already sensed vacum of power in the arena. Avoca/Giraffes also took territorys from Thanda Impis right after Sizanani's passing away. I could go with those examples on and on as it is general think in male lion world that the vacum of power does not least for long at all and there is bassicly always some coalition around...

The most similar situations among the ones cited are the Hercules/Sumatra vs Monwanas and S. Avocas vs Matshapiris.  The other two "takeovers" are much less similar.  Hercules/Sumatra may or may not have actually fought to takeover a territory.  The S. Avocas were willing to fight but couldn't catch the healthy brother.  The Tintswalos didn't need to fight as their natal pride lands were vacant.  If all or most of the Avoca/Giraffes had actually caught the Thandi Impis it most likely would have resulted in their death, but that never happened.  The A/Gs kind of "won," but (only land, no lionesses).  If I'm forgetting something, let me know.

TL/DR info below: 

-Hercules/Sumatra were ousted from their previous territory and had become nomadic.  The Monwanas had one healthy brother and one injured brother. It is very possible that H/S killed the healthy Monwana.  It's also very possible that the healthy Monwana was gored by a buffalo or kicked in head by a giraffe before getting chewed up by some hyenas.  We don't know for sure.  End result:  There was possibly a conflict.  Maybe not.  Either way the helathy Monwana died, the injured Monwanan went nomadic, and H/S took over the the pride and territory.

-The S. Avocas did happen upon a beneficial situation, but they still needed to challenge a territorial male in his prime (and his dying brother).  We know the middle and end of the conflict, but no one saw the first contact.  Did the healthy Matshapiri initially stand his ground (HB vs the Tumbelas) or did he run as soon as he saw he was outnumbered (Black Dam vs Monwanas)?  End result:  Eventually the S. Avocas chased the healthy Matshapiri out of the territory and took Sparta for themselves.  Mohawk died from an unrelated injury.  Had he been healthy, things probably would have been different, but he was not and his brother couldn't hold the territory on his own.  There was definitely a conflict in this case.

-The Tintswalos never really left their natal pride and had not shown the willingness to challenge Junior by himself let alone with Buddy.  I'm sure that would have eventually changed, but it's unlikely they'd be dominant over their natal pride if Junior had lived to chase them around.  End result: There was zero conflict so the Tintswalsos did not need to leave home.

-The Thandi Impis and Avoca/Giraffes had been in conflict for some time before Siznanni died.  Thandi Impis actually gave one of the A/Gs a sound beating when Siznanni was still healthy.  After Siznanni's hip began to deteriorate the A/Gs chased them around, but never actually caught them or the Nharu Pride.  End result:  The Avoca/ Giraffes may have gotten the land, but not the lionesses.  Thanda Impis lost some battles but won the war as their offspring in both of their prides were raised to adulthood.  There was definitely conflict in this case as well. Reply