Lions of Timbavati

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(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

Yes, I know the Mbiri/Nsemani male was born in 2011. The Nsemani/Mbiri male in other pics resemblances to Ginger in his youth, for example, in a recent image posted by @Tonpa in the Manyeleti thread. The bigger Mbiri male resemblances a lot of Slitnose the Matimba male, We couldn't deny that. Of course paternity only can be confirmed via DNA test as Mohawk mentioned, But similiraties often could help. Reply