Lions of Timbavati

[Timbavati]

(05-06-2021, 06:28 PM)Potato Wrote:

(05-06-2021, 03:03 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(05-05-2021, 11:39 PM)Potato Wrote:

(05-05-2021, 11:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(05-05-2021, 11:05 PM)Tonpa Wrote: How many offspring do the ross males have?

They sired three cubs (that now are adult) in the Avoca pride, eight sub-adults and 7 cubs in the Birmingham pride - A total of 17 offspring until now

Neither off spring from Avoca pride sired by Ross males survived, beside Xikukutsu male potentially as in their case it is difinitelly questionable if they were sired by Ross males at all.

I trust and stay behind of the words of Johan Adolf Smalman, I can't judge such a reliable source as him, As well, the three cubs from the Avoca pride survived  and now are adults, the Avoca lioness is still there doing well

I do not know who is Johan Adolf Smalman and what knowledge does he have regarding Avoca pride, but there you have ZIggi Hugo's (who is guide at Shindzela since like forever and Shindzela so far always have been core territory of Avoca pride) post  about dynamic of Avoca pride for past years:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1116688471871797&id=100005919649247

and there you can read: "The 2 Ross Males moved south and took over the Avoca pride. They fathered 7 cubs with 2 lionesses and the other 5 lionesses had 7 cubs with the Sumatra Males that moved a bit south. The 1 Sumatra male disappeared and the Ross males killed the 7 cubs. The 2 remaining lionesses with 7 cubs were sick and eventually died with the cubs also not making it. One of the last 3 was killed by a Ross male at a kill with other lionesses from Ngala. The Ross Males moved towards Ngala."

as due many people doesn't know to Johan Adolf Smalman, Johan worked in Shindzela for more than 1 decade, There's  was a pride of lions was named the Ziggi pride and the Avoca/Giraffe males still were known by some as the Johnniesdale males, even, the Mafikizolo pride male known as Petrus, Duma/Sohobele male still was in Timbavati around Shindzela, and the Ross pride had the white cubs. I have a great friendship with Johan, and he confirmed that Ross males fathered the Xikukutsu males born into the silver-eyed Avoca lioness and apart of that he also confirmed that the Ross males weren't sired by the bad, the good, And the ugly, If not by the two old Ross males that were poached a few months before the three original Giraffe males came into Klaserie and accepted the cubs as theirs Reply