Coalitions of Kruger National Park

[Mdz123]

(02-06-2022, 10:00 PM)DARK MANE Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 08:09 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Dark Mane with his sister in 2009, seen at S34/S36. This area was Robson territory at the time so maybe the Majingilanes were actually sired by Stompie and  1eye

Credits: Ahmed Odinia

Yeah, I have also read about a lot of . 
But the mathematics don't go that way. 
In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability. 
In January 2005 thins changed dramatically: The Split Rock males were fighting the Rollercoaster males over months for  dominance of Sparta pride. The Othawa pride was unprotected and on its own. An unknown male took the chance to the lead the pride. Nhlanguleni was first seen in the west around March 2005, he was found in the river mating with one of the Ottawa lionesses, close to Ottawa camp. He was often on his own but started spending more time with one half of the Ottawas after the cubs were born, the other half- 2 lionesses, the 2 young males Stompie and 1eye and a young female stayed away from him. 

The young Othawa males stayed under the protection of their mothers until the arrival of the 6 Mapogo males by beginning of 2006. 

Stompie and 1eye left their natal pride and were now called the Robson males. On September 2006 they tried to take over the Styx pride after killing the pride cubs but failed.
Living as Nomads on the landscape between Sabi sands and Kruger, the Robson boys became great buffalo hunters. Over years they will stay the silent hunters and visitors of rival male areas, especially the Mapogos, but they avoided to confront them.
In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger. 

So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP. 


Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.
HOW THE HELL ON EARTH TWO TEENS MALES ( NOT EVEN TWO YEARS OLD), MANAGE TO GET GIRLS FOR THEMSELVES, WHEN SPLIT ROCK, ROLLER COASTER AND MAPOGOS ALL WERE IN LINE??
ALSO WHEN THEY WERE STILL WITH THEIR NATAL PRIDE. HOW DO THEY MANAGE TO GO KNP? 
NOT EVEN 2, HOW TWO SUBS MANAGE TO DEFEAT THE RULING COALITION?? 
AND I AM NOT EVEN COUNTING THE 3-4 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD. 

SIMPLE MATHEMATICS IS NOT ALLOING THIS THEORY. 
I AM NOT BUYING IT
IT'S CLEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. 



 

I see that you based off your information from the Youtube video about Robson males, but I have information from the owner of the picture, which is much more trustworthy than info from Youtube.

According to the person who took the photo, Ahmed Odinia, Majingilanes were fathered by Robson males, and he is 100% sure about it.

He told me that the Majingilane males were born into Mantimahle Dam pride in 2006/7. This lioness is one of the mothers of Majingilanes. She is a legendary female, she was born in 1999 and lived until the Mantimahle males takeover 2016.

Quote:In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability

He said that the Robsons were actually born in 2002. 

Quote:So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP

The Robson males left SS in April/May 2006. And then they spent most of their time in Kruger, rarely coming back to the SS.

Quote:In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger.”

This was only a brief return to the SS, they simply saw the opportunity but were defeated by the 2 Mapogos.

Quote:Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.

They were actually born in 2006/07, around the same time as Matimba males. And Hip Scar was actually the oldest of them, here is he in mid 2007 (right) as a 1 year old, compared to him in 2010 (left)

To add on to the many proofs I have already given, Hip Scar significantly resembles 1eye, here is them side by side:

In summary, most of things you said were wrong, according to Ahmed. Robsons were born in 2002, and left SS in 2006. Same year they took over Mantimahle Dam pride and sired the 5 Majngilanes. They left the pride in 2009.
In 2010 Robsons try takeover over Mapogo territory but were defeated. Same year Majingilanes killed Kinky Tail and took over Eastern SS. All the rest you know what happened.

I hope these proofs are enough to change your mind. Reply