Jaguar Predation

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(02-11-2024, 09:35 PM)Ngonya Wrote:

(02-10-2024, 03:38 AM)Jafar Wrote: It's not an exaggeration to say that that alligator would be 10 feet long.
the record came from Roraima, where there are large Amazonian jaguars.
This Jaguar would weigh more than 80 kg.
a Jaguar of this size would have a body length of 1.50 meters or more most of the time.

the alligator was at least 2x bigger.

like in this clip here:

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Believe in whatever u want, i cant change ur mind.

anyways, i'll try to show my point of view and opinion. Check this picture, it was edited and posted by Balam in her reddit, r/Jaguarland
"Patricia female carrying a massive yacare caiman up a steep river bank. This big caiman seems to be at least as heavy as she is, roughly >80 kg."

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Picture by Ailton Lara

It was not Balam's intention to mean what im saying by comparing this two pictures, but for me: its possible to see the effects of perspective and how long the caimans can look when compared to jaguars. Yacares barely reach 3 meters, but it looks as long as the Black Caiman in the video, and also much longer than the female jaguar, which must weigh as much as the Amazonian male in the video.
Doesn't that tell you something? Or would you prefer to believe in a huge Yacare to maintain the 3-meter Black Caiman idea? (btw largest verified Yacare was around 2.5 meters iirc   )
Well, i think it's best for each of us to keep our own opinions. Only if it was properly measured it would convince me that an caiman so thin and with a skull in the common shape of a young individual would be three meters long.
The only hypothesis i personally would accept would be a female black caiman close to three meters.
Many people tend to overestimate the Jaguar and underestimate the Black Caiman in this rare confrontation of the Amazon rivers.
A friend of mine told me about a recent report in Bolivia, where a large male jaguar had a yacare carcass he killed stolen by a Black Caiman. (i could try and post it here later)
These animals are equally powerful, but tbh, male Caimans are naturally stronger than male Jaguars, these are facts. However, they are natural enemies, the winner of each confrontation depend on the circumstances, whether it is on the shore, deep waters, land, etc.
Generally a male jaguar may have the advantage over a female caiman and younger individuals, but the male caiman will usually have the advantage over a male jaguar.

Yes, I've already seen this post, even before you probably, so much so that I even commented in his comparison that the açu caiman is visibly bigger than this Pantanal alligator.
You can't forget that the zoom of the black alligator is much smaller than that of the Pantanal alligator.

I would say that this alligator that Patrícia caught is close to the maximum and would be around 2.3m.

Balam himself had said that they had estimated that black caiman at 2.7-3m.

the average for Amazonian jaguars is 84 kg, as Balam said in another post, and this jaguar must be average.
which would be the size of female Pantanal Jaguars on average.


It's really fair for us to continue with our opinions, I agree, it could be a female.????


But know that I'm not underestimating the black caiman and overestimating the jaguar, I'm saying what I think. Reply