Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts

[Rishi]

(11-29-2019, 09:35 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(11-29-2019, 03:21 PM)Rishi Wrote:

(11-29-2019, 03:06 PM)Shadow Wrote: My main point was to remind about overall situation and little gestures. Rolling on back can be submissive thing even when keeping 20 claws in between just in case. It´s one thing to submit, another one to make kind of suicide and lay flat there waiting to be bitten.

These things are complex and some people like to see (not you) in very black and white. Certain posture is only way to show submission and some other isn´t. With animals things are never that simple. Big cats as all animals are very interesting to watch and try to understand what they are doing. Sometimes submissive behavior ends fight or prevents it even to happen. Sometimes nothing is enough, when opponent is determined to "teach a lesson" or kill, no matter what.

Many times quite small gestures of submission are enough when two big cats meet. That´s one of those things making these animals so fascinating, there isn´t just one and only thing how they show their mood.

Yes, reading the description in @Rage2277's post I imagined it to have ended like this one (00:30).

But tigress are like completely different animals compared to males, with major behavioral differences during fighting that I have noted.

One is that the dominating animal often also crounches down before the submissive one instead of walking away like males do, no idea why.

Another is that they run around quite a lot, with some chasing & running away.

I have never seen a male tiger do anything like that, even subadults in face of dominant males. It's all very composed & tension is high.

This video is one good example concerning situation where leopard rolls on his back showing submission same time as keeping guard up. A bit same as in that video of lions you shared. That lioness wasn´t keen to fight and tried to act in submissive way while of course it had no desire to be killed without a fight, if things would go to that point. Same with this leopard, it is obviously scared and try to do all it can to show, that it has no desire to attack. It wants just to go away alive.

Tension is always high, but it´s interesting that this person in posting of "rage2277" mentioned, that there have been several same kind of situations observed. Maybe we see one day photos and/or videos.

That's more of a defensive threatening than being submissive... And interspecific conflict besides. They are usually plenty interested at the begining. But 4 sets of leopard's claws often tend to change their minds.
Submitting is more of an intraspecific thing though, among who understands each other's body language.

Great footage by the way, never seen a leopard sitting in open almost causally surrounded by whole lion pride. Please post a copy in the interspecific thread! Reply