Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts

[Dennis]

(11-29-2019, 11:23 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(11-29-2019, 10:25 AM)Rishi Wrote:

(11-29-2019, 10:08 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight.

This is what submissions looks like in felids... except in some big-cats it's also the "standoff" posture. 

Choti Tara's subadult male cub & Maya confortation at Tadoba. 
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All animals have various ways to show, that they submit. Not just some certain posture or voice for instance. It´s also about overall attitude and little gestures. The one feeling weaker can show submission while standing, sitting or rolling on back etc. Rolling on back can happen because changing position to continue fighting, but it can also happen because trying to submit. Then again it can be, that even though the one rolling back tries to submit, other one is too enraged and continues to attack forcing other one to fight for his/hers life, no matter what. Every fight is a different one, these are wild animals, not some machines. That means, that the one showing first submission can actually win the fight, when forced to continue and situation changes from threatening to desperate.

People who have animals know, that animals have many ways to show signs of their mood. Learning those is the thing when training them. Rolling on back is one common way to show submission.

I think you are onto something.

I looked up 'how do tigers submit' and I found this source, from what its looks to be a biologist:

"..Leyhausen also indicated that aggression in felids is more regulated by effective defenses than responsive to the submission signals that are quite effective in reducing intra-group fighting in many canid species, such as wolves and dogs.. By selecting animals and arranging situations, Leyhausen was able to polarize attack and defensive behaviors in domesticated cat subjects, or, alternatively, to maximize attack motivations for both combatants. In a highly polarized attack-defend situation, the attacker stands tall and advances directly toward the victim while emitting low growls. The defending animal crouches down, or, with a mixture of aggressive and fearful motives, may assume the classic “Halloween cat” stance with arched back, and erected hairs. As the attacker approaches contact, the defending animal may assume a contorted posture, half on its back but facing the other cat, enabling both fore- and hindpaws to be drawn up and opposed to the oncoming attacker. This stance conceals the nape, the major target site for intraspecific offensive attack.. However, when both animals are highly motivated to attack, a frontal approach is typically utilized by both, resulting in animals facing each other and delivering forepaw blows largely toward the head and neck of the other."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2814555/ Reply