The Birmingham Males

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(10-06-2022, 12:14 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: To be honest, we have been hearing this debate for a while now. Back with the Avocas and now with the PC Males.
But ultimately nothing really came from it. 

I think Nhenha is a very cautious lion and isn't going to risk fighting fights he isn't sure he can win. While Nym mostly follows his lead. 
So its not likely they will actually defend their territory should the PCmales invade. Unless it's just one of them and the Birminghams are both together or some other scenario shows up that would give them an edge. As the Othawa male found out. 

While this is a very good strategy for a coalition to survive and retain some territory. Especially one in competition with coalitions equal or stronger in strength.
It's not a reliable defence for a pride and cubs as it requires a lot of retreating. 

Seeing the Ximhungwe pride hasn't had any cubs yet. It would be better if they had their big definitive clash now. Rather than dragging it out until there are cubs and subadults to mourn.

No this is very different from the Birmingham/Avoca conflict. Very, very different. The Avocas were pressuring the Bboys, they were not directly challenging them. If they did directly challenge them from the get go, I'm almost certain there would have been a fight. 

The Avocas pressured the Bboys northern territory since 2020 and it often ended in the Birminghams pushing the Avocas back or the Avocas gaining more territory. Nhenha for eg. chasing both males himself in Londolozi and Mala Mala saying the Bboys chased the PC breakaway, the Four ways pride and Avocas and Nkuhuma pride in 24 hours. The Avocas were playing the waiting game and the Birminghams were exiting their prime. By 2021,Tinyo was losing condition and the Avocas were pushing further. They were going back and forth till the end. Nhenha and Tinyo even chased Blondie off a carcass just before the end.

 I'm actually curious where Nhenha got this "cautious" title. People saw Nhenha run from Mohawk after being caught off guard but seem to forget that he returned with Tinyo to that very same location on a Mala Mala video not soon after. He chased out the Nwalungu Males by himself, chased the PC Males by himself, him and Tinyo chased the Nwaswitshaka and even went south to patrol Sabi Sabi despite the Nwaswitshaka threat,. I'd say he has done very daring things. He even attempted to attack the PC Males by himself during this invasion. So why do you say he wouldn't defend his territory? Why did he track the PC Males if not to do something?

 The Othawa Male is also a bad example. The Othawa Male and Birmingham Boys had a very weird dynamic. They almost didn't see him as a threat to them for the longest time. They would chase him off carcasses, he would run if the roars got too near, they were seen in locations he had been a day before, they used to even go into his territory but they would never go out of their way to get rid of him. They almost got used to his presence and saw him as a neighbor. Until he got too confident and went too close to them, he was almost excepted by them like Dark Mane to his brothers. Reply