Captive Lion and Tiger weights

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(12-03-2016, 05:08 AM)Ba Ba Lou Wrote:

(12-02-2016, 07:50 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(12-02-2016, 07:47 AM)Ba Ba Lou Wrote:

(11-30-2016, 01:12 AM)Ba Ba Lou Wrote: Famed big cat trainer Clyde Beatty gives accounts of lions weighing 550 to 600 pounds, then there was Simba a lion weighing a record 826 lbs. Simba did not look very fat either. But Jaipur the Amur tiger is the biggest of all captive big cats. But tiger expert K. Ullas Karanth said record tigers Jaipur's size are fat and obese and would not survive in the wild

pcks.   I have access to all of Beatty's books and Dave Hoover's quotes. Yes from seeing what Clyde is saying, he basically saying is an African lion and a Bengal tiger are about the same size. But he's saying a Amur tiger is the biggest of the big cats, but in this same book  "Facing The Big Cats" Beatty says he had a lion name pharaoh who was just a big as his biggest 
 Amur tiger

But he also only had 3 amurs compared to the 100 or so lions he's had. Also don't forget that the Tigers he had were from Louis Routh, and Roth got his tigers from "Bengal."
What exactly does Hoover have to do with anything?

Well Dave Hoover I believe stated he had big African lions and big Bengal tigers, are you talking about West Bengal or The Bay Of Bengal by chance ? and if Roth got his tigers from Bengal what difference does it make ?

Tigers from "Bengal" are going to be West bengal, Bangladesh, Sunderban Tigers.

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Tigers from this area should suffer the similar insular dwarfism that Sunderban tigers suffer from as well, even though it not necessarily being an "island" the territory suffers from severe flooding from tidal shifts.

"The flat and fertile Bangladesh Plain dominates the geography of Bangladesh. The Chittagong Hill Tracts and Sylhet regions are home to most of the mountains in Bangladesh. Most parts of Bangladesh are within 10 metres (33 feet) above the sea level, and it is believed that about 10% of the land would be flooded if the sea level were to rise by 1 metre (3.3 feet).[11] Because of this low elevation, much of this region is exceptionally vulnerable to seasonal flooding due to monsoons. The highest point in Bangladesh is in Mowdok range at 1,052 metres (3,451 feet).[12] A major part of the coastline comprises a marshy jungle, the Sundarbans, the largest mangrove forest in the world and home to diverse flora and fauna, including the royal Bengal tiger. In 1997, this region was declared endangered.[13]"

They would of had to travel through much harsher terrain to find the larger tiger specimens and it seems that they'd want to go to through the least amount of trouble as possible while still gaining the reward of big cat capture.

"Dense woodlands, including hilly rainforests, cover Bengal's northern and eastern areas; while an elevated forested plateau covers its central area. In the littoral southwest are the Sunderbans, the world's largest mangrove forest and home of the Bengal tiger. In the coastal southeast lies Cox's Bazaar, the longest beach in the world at 125 km (78 mi).[1] The Bengali calendar divides the region's climate into six seasons."

Since West Bengal/Bangladesh are home to the Sunderban Tiger and it's close to port, I'd assume that would be the tiger most commonly captured.

This is my theory on the matter, I don't have doubts that Amurs are large cats in captivity, I've read too many trainers talk about their size compared to indian tigers and lions but I do have doubts about some of the Indian Tigers being used to compare, I wish I still had the link to the conversation on this matter, I can't find it anymore nor can I find the books which quote it. I'll continue to search and see if I can stir them up again.
I'm also not saying that Lions or Indian Tigers can't get as large in captivity, it just isn't as common from what I've read when comparing the 3. Reply