The Matimba coalition

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(02-18-2023, 01:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Ok, so its my opinion that HB and Ginger where not littermates, based of that Ginger looks more similar to WhiteFace, and he looks to be a bit older then HB. 

Also, face structure analysis = opinion only is what I disagree, in some cases its very strong, 100% evidence, who sired who.

Here is an example, HB and SlitNose :

And here are 2/3 their fathers :


Its clear who sired who, to the point that its not "opinion" and speculation , yet pretty much fact. 

And I can find many many more examples of it, but ofc, in some cases we cant determinante who sired who based of looks.

I definitely respect your eyes when it comes to lion IDs.  Numerous times you've pulled up an obscure picture and IDed a lion off of ear nicks and whisker pattersn that I can barely see.  That skill is highly useful for identifying an individual lion, but we can't trust it for determining paternity because of the way genes work. 

And all lions look so much alike.  Wasn't it just last week that many members (myself included) thought that video was of Nhena.  After someone pointed out the scars and age don't seem match, most of us got confused.  I'm still not sure and I watched it several times.  There's been other times when a Masai Mara lion has been misidentified as a KNP lion and vice versa.  If we're having troulbe IDing living lions, how can we determine who they sired based off looks?  

We haven't even brought up the mothers' genes in all of this.  Tinyo wasn't a Skybed son, but, thanks to his mothers, he had that Skybed look IMO.  None of the West Street Males had mohawks, but Mr. T did.  None of the Matimbas had a mohawk, but Mohawk Mbiri does.  None of the Mayambula Coalition has a mohawk even though one of their fathers does.  The Ross Males aren't exactly big lions, but IMO some of their sons look like they're gonna be pretty big thanks to those Old Birmingham Males and Skybed genes. Reply