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(03-02-2022, 03:59 AM)curious Wrote: Yeah, thanks for clarification, but that expert obviously didn't read Ramayana and Mahabharata carefully. 
Here is another account from Mahabharata, very similar to Ramayana verse:
http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0175/_P2D.HTM#9K. Quote from that page: "Peerless bowman! mighty monarch! nations still his hests obeyed,
As a lion slays a tiger, Bhima hath Duryodhan slayed!

As I said, Romina Thapar is one of the TOP experts in history and litterature in India, check her:

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Romila Thapar (born 30 November 1931) is an Indian historian. Her principal area of study is ancient India, a field in which she is pre-eminent.[1] Thapar is a Professor of Ancient History, Emerita, at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi.

Thapar's special contribution is the use of social-historical methods to understand change in the mid-first millennium BCE in northern India. As lineage-based Indo-Aryan pastoral groups moved into the Gangetic Plain, they created rudimentary forms of caste-based states. The epics Ramayana and the Mahabharata, in her analysis, offer vignettes of how these groups and others negotiated new, more complex, forms of loyalty in which stratification, purity, and exclusion played a greater if still fluid role.[2]

The author of From Lineage to State, Asoka and the Decline of the Mauryas, Early India: From Origins to AD 1300, and the popular History of India, Part I, Thapar has received honorary doctorates from the University of Chicago, the University of Oxford, Institut National des Langues et Civilisations Orientales, Paris, the University of Edinburgh, the University of Calcutta, the University of Hyderabad, Brown University, and the University of Pretoria.

Thapar is an Honorary Fellow of the School of Oriental and African Studies, London, where she also received her Ph.D. in 1958, and a Foreign Honorary Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. In 2008, Romila Thapar shared the US Library of Congress's Kluge Prize, for Lifetime Achievement in the Humanities and Social Sciences.[3]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romila_Thapar

I highly doubth that she will publish something and not reading it. In fact is IMPOSSIBLE that she, been an expert, has not read these two books, in original, not only in translation to English. Also, I was checking the copy of the Ramayana that I have (in Spanish) and it not mention anything about lion vs tiger, it mention only that Kekekyi asked to Rama to not kill his brother. Also in the prologue, Teresa E Rhode quotes Romila Thapar and her book "A History of India" from 1966. So I have some doubts that there is something incorrect in the English translations. Plus I checked the quotes made of these books of Divyabhanusing "The Story of the Asia's Lions" and also do not mention this, just some pictures from Moghuls that put the lion as a king above the tiger, but just that.

Interestingly, the copies that you quote are from 1890's and came from Brithish which kept the history like a poem, so I will like to see the original history in the original languaje because I am not going to question the work of a real expert in Indian history based in the old translation from people of another country and also with the fact that in Spanish is a completelly different description of the same events. 

For now, I stay with Romila Thapar and her conclution, after all, British had a lot of propaganda on those days and I will not be surprised if they changed some things in the original scriptures. Reply