The Mighty Mapogos

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(05-10-2022, 04:08 AM)Mapokser Wrote: If you believe an old SN Majingilane could have defeated his 3 sons with big manes already, I don't know what to tell you. They lacked so much confidence that they didn't even chased a single nomad Avoca eating with them.

On that kill was 2 S. Avocas and 3 Tooth Tsalala, 2 Avocas run immiditately, 3T stayed and faced SN. 

All those young males where over 4 yrs old, we where talking about younger males (under 3.5/3 yrs old) /subs, over 4 yrs old males are already starting to become territorial, they obiviously can kill adult male, at their age Majingilanes where already territorial. 

(05-10-2022, 04:08 AM)Mapokser Wrote: There're videos and photos of 2 lionesses defeating adult male lions, forcing him to retreat after getting a beating. Even hyenas can hurt lions, never mind other smaller lions. When one of the Avocas caught a matriarch hyena some years ago, she bit him back, forcing him to let her go despite him going for a brutal attack, lions aren't make of steel and even lionesses have very long canines and a strong bite force, they would for sure injure a male.

Ofc that females can chase males, especially when they are in number advantages, but in the end they cant defeat them in long term, they always submit, otherwise why then they dont protect their cubs in takeover? Why their cubs get killed by new males if they are so powerful? Because they cant, they dont have the power. 


That hyena would be killed if DM really wanted, but he saw it is not worth it as she fight back quite well.. 10+ hyenas dont dare to attack a male. 

My point is theres a reason why young males (under 3.5/3 yrs of age), subs and females run away from adult males, you are saying "but if they have confidence they can defeat them", but they dont have confidence, what prevents confidence? Fear, fear of getting injured /killed as they are too weak. Theres a reason why young males after 4 yrs of average start to challenge adult males, because they gain confidence as they feel they are strong enough and still many of them die because they where not ready. 

In a simulation, where you turn of that "fear factor" and just let them fight, yes, idk just for example 4 females, 15 2,3 yrs old subs, or 20 hyenas would prob eventually kill a male lion, but this will not happen in the reality so pointless to even discuss that. Reply