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(04-19-2022, 01:21 PM)Tonpa Wrote: is that why wasn't he ousted that night by Makulu if it was a clear win?
Nhlanguleni sustained far worst injurys hance he is considered looser of the fight.
(04-19-2022, 01:21 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Wide-Nose Ndzhenga travelled to Singita and fought Othawa Male for the Mhaneni Pride, and the end result was that Wide-Nose retreated back south, would anybody say the Othawa male lost?
That depends who would act subbmissive at the end of confrontation and what kind of injurys they would have sustain. It does't matter where Wide Nose would go after the confrontation.
But this isn't a street fight. We look at lion fights in the context of territorial and pride acquisition not who has a bloody nose. If a nomadic male fights a dominant male and the result of that fight is the nomadic male leaving the area and the dominant male retaining his pride, then the nomad lost.
Like I mentioned before, if Makulu beat Nhlanguleni during an territory takeover it makes no sense for him to retreat. He would've chased Nhlanguleni out of the area
Ok, now I think understand your position that Mak lost the fight. If understood correctly, Mak lost because Nhlanguleni retained the pride for a few days after their fight despite his injuries.
Yeah that's the way I view it. Although If we're looking solely at injuries dished out then Mak won
Earlier you said that the Selati had not lost in the first clashes with the 3 Mapogo, but now Mak would have lost, even though the other had been beaten, and after a few days he disappeared for ever.