The Mighty Mapogos

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(10-22-2020, 09:34 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 04:07 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

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(10-22-2020, 02:29 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Hey my friend @BA0701 have you read this before?

@"TinoArmando" , my friend, no I had not seen this particular article. I it is very interesting in how he compares the Mapogos to other lions he has been in the presence of. I do have to say, however, his comment, "ensuring their genetic success" hasn't aged well. So many years of ruling such a massive area, and so little to show for it, and that is so disappointing to me. But, I concur with nearly everything else he wrote.

Yeah. If we talk about a weak point of the Mapogo males could be the lack of offspring that they left through the Sabi Sands.
This was also because the Six males were really very aggressive. They killed a lot of their cubs. Especially Mr T when he back with their brothers.
Very sad, However nothing to reproach them!
They became legends and world famous for themselves

To be honest, and perhaps I am uninformed on the matter, I don't recall any of the other Mapogos killing their own cubs, or even their brothers cubs, outside of Mr. T. We'll never know why that happened, he's not the first to do it though. 

Patience with the cubs is one of the main reasons Mak is my all time favorite lion, along with many other factors, but he was great with them. He, and Othawa Male, and a few others as well, that I can think of right off the top of my head.

Rasta, Dreadlocks and Mr T were the Mapogo brothers who were being trying to kill chasing them out of the reserve the Sand River males (their own sons).
The Mapogo as the Matimba males killed their own cubs due the number of the coalition. Actually is very rare and strange seen a coalition of six or even more brothers spend time with a same pride. This mean that when the were cubs born they didn't recognize them as their own sons then they kill them
I'll post a few post about this.

I did not know Rasta and Dreadlocks also killed their own, and their brothers, cubs, or the Matimas for that matter. That is very interesting you never read about that, and people only ever seem to discuss Mr. T doing it. I know other lions have done it as well, there was a cub on Savage Kingdom whose own father paralyzed him by biting him, so T was clearly not the only one, which is precisely why I refuse to buy into the whole Satan nomenclature, I believe it demonizes an animal that is simply living off of instinct.

Exactly. Sometimes stay with an comment regarding a lion / coalition isn't good in anything. If oneself research by his count can get much accurate information that any other...
The Matimba males killed a couple of Nkuhuma cubs (in June 2012) 
Text and Information below:  E.p. RangersElephant Plains Game Lodge
And then there was one...
On June 14th 2012 one of the Nkuhuma male cubs was killed by three of the Matimba male lions. These males are mostly in the Manyeleti Game Reserve but occasionally make their appearance in the northern part of the Sabi Sands.
This is what happened
It started out like any other winter’s morning with a nice refreshing chill in the air as I left the lodge at sunrise to start my morning game drive with my exited guests. We weren’t on the road to long when we heard over the radio that three of the Matimba males had been sighted heading west into our area. I couldn’t believe my luck as it’s been ages since I saw these boys in our area. I immediately turned my vehicle in their direction, hoping they wouldn’t disappear before I got there.
Our luck held and we were soon on the scene and had a great sighting of them walking past our vehicle, but their behaviour was a bit strange. They were all walking with their noses on the ground busy looking for something. We soon noticed tracks of other lions moving in the same direction as them.
They proceeded to cross a deep drainage line were we could not follow so I decided to go around and wait for them on the other side. As I was going around I saw another lion running straight down the road towards me, my tracker then pointed back further down the road and we saw the three Matimba males barrelling towards us chasing the young male Nkuhuma cub, he was running for his life. Unfortunately they caught him just behind my vehicle and shook him like a ragdoll breaking his neck instantly. Once he was dead they began to eat him.
Why did they kill and eat him you might ask? 
Well, the cub was not their offspring. He was fathered by another male and male lions do not tolerate the offspring of other males in their territory. By killing cubs, the female lions will come into oestrus, giving the male lions a chance to mate with them and if they are lucky, they will farther new cubs.
Although it is not a nice thing to witness, we know that this is how nature is and we respect it. There is now only 1 Nkuhuma cub left with the rest of the pride and we certainly hope this cub will reach adulthood.
EP Ranger
Richard Davis

The male lion from the documentary [Savage Kingdom] It's Sekekama. He killed one of his sons from the Marsh pride

That is a really good read, thank you @"TinoArmando" my friend. But that cub wasn't the Matimbas cub. Lions kill other's cubs regularly, in fact we are at times left wondering when they don't. What the Mapogos, namely Mr. T, did was very different. The cub I mentioned from Savage Kingdom was from Season 3, and it was an unknown adult male, not the Sekekama incident, when he killed his sub son for getting too close to his mother. The cub I am speaking of was very small, and his father was just passing through. The cub followed his father behind some bushes, and next thing you know the cub is dragging both his back legs, with a puncture wound on his back leg. His mother eventually had to leave him behind, because he couldn't keep up.

My bad. I'll edit the post! Reply