Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara

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(04-16-2022, 07:58 PM)Pinto Bean Wrote:

(03-08-2017, 05:52 AM)sik94 Wrote: Are Mara lions bigger than the kruger lions? Other than the matimbas, most sabi sands and KNP lions seem smaller in size like maybe 10-15% smaller.

bro, Scarface is smaller than any of B-boys, Waza Waza from B-boys was weighed at 272 kg with stomach content. Nsuku was one of the smallest of them, maybe Scar was his size

How do you know this? Mara male lions look bigger because of their larger, longer and thicker manes and their more massive bodies, and the lionesses also look bulkier in the north-eastern regions (Masai Mara, Serengeti, Ngorongoro, etc.) than the southern females. This must be the case, due to the richer supply of prey.

The Musketeers were not such huge and massive males as the Notches (and his/their descendants), the 4km males (Lipstick) or Olerai with his Sankai-Lemek boys (Seenka and his bros) or the old Sand River males were. But I think they had to be bigger than the Birmingham males, because at first sight they looked bulkier significantly than them. But as Tr1x24 said, they were never measured, either the Musketeers nor the Birminghams so we couldn't estimate or compare them exactly with each other. Everything else is just an assumption.
Furthermore, Scarface seemed the greatest among the Musketeers (for example in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xWYV_QJ7Z8 ), but i don't know exactly if it was because he really was the tallest or just because he had the most powerful largest mane.

I've read many cases that some rangers estimated the late Notch-coalition member Caesar at about 280kg, which means he may had been the largest of the Mara lions all and one of the largest lion in all Africa too. Notch2 had a bit smaller body, but he had larger mane, so he was estimated at about 250kg. These numbers are means monsters, which is a good indication of the size of the Mara lions. I wouldn't think any Kruger or Sabi Sands lions could compete with these. This 272kg you said, may be a mistake (as is the name), because it seems an impossibility to me. An another infamous Mara male lion Lipstick was also ranked into the largests group, and as I recall, there were many speculations as to how big he could had been compared to the Notch brothers. But noone really saw them side by side (the confrontations between the two big coalitions around 2010 were not recorded), so we don't really know the exact size similarities or the differences. However, according to many speculations - for example in this Forum-thread years ago - Lipstick did not have such a large body (as the Notches) and it only seemed so large due to his huuge mane. What are your thoughts on this? Reply