Tiger Predation

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(06-25-2022, 06:57 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(06-25-2022, 06:16 PM)LonePredator Wrote:

(06-25-2022, 05:51 PM)Pckts Wrote:

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(06-25-2022, 05:09 PM)LandSeaLion Wrote:

(06-25-2022, 12:22 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: I can’t believe this is even a debate, it’s always some bear fan in the mix that thinks these bears are some invincible creatures walking freely in paradise without ever getting touched but reality is far different than what some fanboys like to believe. for starters, sloth bears and tigers generally avoid each other and in a serious encounter between the two. sloth bears are nothing more than a food source for the tigers that specialize in bear killing. Ravan, Kala Pahad male of Pench, Charger (Pench), Wagdoh, Jabbar and countless Kanha males have been observed killing and eating sloth bears and this is just the tip of the iceberg, let’s say i’m reaching. just this month alone, T-120 of Ranthambore and the dominant male of Chuka beach in Pilibhit were both observed killing and feasting on sloth bears. so how rare is this occurrence, who’s dominant over what? pretty one sided debate if i’m being realistic. pardon the tone.

I don't think this contradicts anything that Pckts said, to be honest. Some tigers do specialise in killing sloth bears, and are incredibly good at it. Generally speaking though, sloth bears are only a minor component of a tiger's diet, and not because they are too small to be worth bothering with (after all, tigers are opportunistic predators that will hunt monkeys, birds and porcupines, and also love to prey on wild boar, which are roughly the size of a male sloth bear). Sloth bears can be extremely aggressive in their own right, making them a tough prey to take on - especially when they are mothers defending their young. Faced with this aggression, many tigers will simply back off.

(06-25-2022, 02:09 PM)LonePredator Wrote:

(06-25-2022, 12:35 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: Just like there are Gaur specialists amongst tigers, there are certain sloth bear specialists as well. One of the current ones is Ravan 1.0 from Satpura. The forest guards at Satpura said his territory used to be littered with sloth bear fur. Sloth bears are rarely present in high density where tigers are present (this was corroborated by a study). But, Ravan went out of his way to hunt them.

Another one was Charger of Pench (father of the famous Mataram). Apparently, he had an appetite for the furry bear. Sloth bears have insanely long claws (longer than tiger’s claws) that they use for digging and as a defence mechanism. One slash would leave a tiger incapacitated which would very well mean death. So, I am guessing they are only a certain number of tigers which view them as prey (mothers protecting cubs not withstanding).

Bear claws don’t work like that. Bear claws are extremely blunt to such an extent that Bears rarely even use claw strikes in a fight unlike Tigers and Lions.

A claw strike from a Sloth Bear is unlikely to cause any serious damage to a Tiger.

Sloth bear claws are long and scimitar-shaped, like those of a sloth (which, funnily enough, is partly why they're called sloth bears). Their primary purpose is to split rocky termite mounds open; however, they are certainly long and strong enough to be able to inflict serious injury.

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A large sloth bear was suspected by officials and a veterinary team to have been the reason for an old male tiger's death in Dudwha a few years ago for precisely this reason:

Quote:BAREILLY: A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudwha National Park on Sunday may have been killed by a sloth bear, suspect Dudwha officials. While no pugmarks of another tiger were found around the water hole, images of a huge sloth bear have been captured by camera traps set 150 metres from the spot. The bear had a few scraches on its face and seemed to be moving about with difficulty.

"The nature of injuries on the neck and head of the tiger suggest they may have been caused during an attack by a sloth bear," said DTR field director Ramesh Pandey. The autopsy report submitted on Monday had said the tiger was killed by a "large carnivore" but did not specifically say it was another tiger.

Though a tiger being attacked by a bear is rare, Panday recalled an incident reported from Tadoba National Park in Maharashtra in 2018 when a male tiger, 'Matkasur', had picked up a fight with a sloth bear near a water hole. The fight was captured on camera by a tourist.

"The video showed the tiger was resting in the water when the sloth bear arrived with its cub. It fought with the bear possibly trying to defend its territory. But Matkasur lost the fight as it struggled to grip the bear's thick fur. Fortunately, the tiger survived," the field director said.

Pandey suspects that in Dudhwa, too, a similar situation arose. But in this case, the tiger was aged as it was over 12 years old. Such tigers are often thrown out of their territory and sometimes reside around water holes due to easy availability of prey. "This tiger may have fought with the sloth bear for dominance over the water hole as in Tadoba. However, this is not the final conclusion. We have also sought pictures captured by camera traps in Dudwha range during tiger census of 2018. This will help us in identifying if any other tiger is in this area.

"A bear is quite a powerful animal and its claws may cause deep wounds on the tiger's body," Pandey said.

Daksh Gangwar of Wildlife Trust of India, who was part of the veterinary team that conducted the autopsy, said, "The injuries were caused by a large powerful animal, possibly a carnivore. Such injuries can also be caused by a sloth bear because it has strong claws and can inflict serious injuries on a tiger."

(Side note: why are people so fixated on "vs" fights between tigers and bears? It feels like this topic has dominated most conversations about tigers on the board, including the "Premier" thread in the Edge of Extinction section.)

Scimitar shaped but not scimitar sharp. Their claws are extremely blunt and have a rounded end unlike felid claws which are sharp and have a pointy end.


Bears rarely even use their claws in a fight which tells those claws have little to no use for the purpose of fighting.

A slash from a Bear’s claws are not going to cause much damage to a Tiger but I doubt a Bear would even think of striking a Tiger with its claws because Bears simply don’t fight like that.

Their claws are still sharp and definitely cause damage. Hence why the small female was able to turtle up, get to her back and use her claws to get at Matkasurs face and get him to disengage his hold. 
I’m not sure if you have dogs but I do, and they’re big, they’ve gashed me pretty good with their claws and those are nothing compared to sloth Bear. Victims of sloth Bear attacks are mutilated from their claws and teeth, you can bet both do serious damage.

What claw strikes?? I saw the fight and the Bear didn’t use any claw strikes. Why don’t you show a video of the Bear using claw strikes??

The Bear did nothing to Matkasur. Matkasur disengaged from the fight on his own. Stop saying the Bear ‘defeated’ him. 

Matkasur already had the Bear by the nape and the Tiger had put the Bear in the killing position 3 times during the fight but chose not to kill it for some reason.

There’s nothing the Bear did to ‘make’ Matkasur disengage. And Tiger coat is very different from human skin, it’s not as fragile even with less fur.

Claw strikes from a Bear would do little to no damage to a Tiger. Can you even show me where the Bear used its claws to ‘get at’ Matkasur’s face? I saw the fight but I didn’t notice anything like that so show me what you’re talking about.

And of all the Bear fights I’ve seen, I’ve never seen Bears fighting with paw strikes like Lions and Tigers do. Bears don’t even use paw strikes in the first place.

Have you not seen the video?
See the bear turtle up and use her hind claws to rake the Matkasurs face to get him to release, she does this maneuver numerous times throughout the grappling.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xca4uX2N3Uk

Bears don’t swipe with the speed a big cat does, that’s not how they prefer to fight, they grapple and rake with their claws. Still effective and deadly in their own way.

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